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Latest Unofficial Rendering: Could This Be The Next 'Starship Enterprise'? |
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19:39:23 on July 01 2001
By: Steve Krutzler
Dept: Enterprise | www.stenterprise.com
Since the arm-patch (here) image was posted Thursday, many fans have taken a shot at extrapolating just what the new ship may look like. Although the design pictured on the arm-patch is still not officially confirmed (though many insiders have since claimed its authenticity), this type of fun is surely in the spirit of 'Star Trek' fandom.
 Larry over at the Starbase C3 Starship Construction Site, the same site that brought us extrapolated renderings of the Enterprise-E in anticipation of 'Star Trek: First Contact' back in 1996, has worked up his latest rendering of the new Enterprise design based on the arm-patch image (right, click for larger).
About the image, Larry comments that "the [arm-patch] illustration consistenly shows a two tone high-contrast illustration technique: light blue for surfaces moving UP and dark blue for surfaces moving DOWN or on the flat." It is this interpretation of the arm-patch image that led him to his upward-sweeping nacelle construction.
"One still can't tell if the center section of the pylons (with possible tube shape in center) is flat or continuously angled down," Larry continues, "I choose down for the latest image... thus providing a nice place for a possible sensor dish."
Previous reports have suggested that the design, like the Akira Class and the traditional Enterprise design, will not include a secondary hull and Larry's thinking with regard to this joining of the nacelle arms is drawn from "the logo, [which] seems to have dimples on the rear side of the prmary hull, suggesting impulse engines placed very much like the E-D and E-E... so thats why I'm thinking the rear tube may just be a 'detail', not an engine."
In any case, if all this speculation is true, Larry's image may be the first and best unofficial rendering of what the next great 'Star Trek' ship will look like.
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Daedalus Class Anyone? + DVD Delay Theory...
By luckybucky
(luckybucky@earthlink.net) at 19:42:56 on July 03
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Gravely disappointed in the ship design, but kudos to the renderers nonetheless. It's not your fault. I simply will not accept any ship with a disc-shaped hull as a predecessor to the Constitution class for the purposes of this show. The revealed design looks 23rd Century at least.
My one hope that anyone on the show is paying the slightest attention to what has gone before is that the "disc" in the arm band is really a top view of a spherical hull, like those in the hypothesized Daedalus class that supposedly preceded the old Constitutions. Now THAT, if studded with clunky exterior weapons banks, would look right. A big spherical section with warp nacelles attached to the rear might make a believable statement about intermediate technology between now and Kirk. Anything else is purely revisionist.
In fact, I think the entire delay in the release of the Motion Picture on DVD is just so they won't scoop us on the ship design when they edit it back into the wall art on the old Enterprise rec-deck. So much for established continuity.
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GARRR! where's the show?
By DiggsBiggly
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Wish the show were here to answer all my stupid questions... but all this theorizing about the progression of our space program here on Earth and where we *should* be about 100 or 150 years got me wondering... how much are the Vulcans gonna do for the humans? Is all this speculation of ours completely invalid because earth isn't actually responsible for much of building the ship ourselves? Hey, there must be some kind of active trading going on because Earth is allowing a vulcan to travel with the crew. So what else is being traded?
And just to get this straight... the Vulcans really are going to be running circles around the humans technologically right? Cause if the Enterprise is going to be anything comparable to the Vulcan ships its gonna be kinda unrealistic... heheh, well, as realistic as star trek is, you all know what I mean.
Now, everybody else's comments!
-Diggs
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I Like Larry's Version
By God's Media
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Larry has a cool design, but I agree that the deflector dish (if it is on the actual model) would have to be lower to do any good.
As for a crew, it might make sense that a large crew would not be on this earlier Enterprise. Modern space missions do not have more than a dozen crew members maximum.
Another consideration is whether the ship is to be launched from Earth, or is it being launched from some type of in-space construction site. This would, I believe, affect the ship's size and thus the number of people it can possibly carry.
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Past comments on size?
By DRCrout
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Didn't Eaves or Drexler (or Berman for that matter) already talk about this ship being much much smaller than the TOS E? I wouldn't imagine it being much longer than the Phoenix, maybe 70-90 meters max...And didn't they already comment that the crew was small?
What's going to give this ship a retro feel is how FI details it: what kind of surface gizmos will go on it, etc. I think that the deflector's going to hang down quite a bit more than it does on Larry's, and I don't think they would go with just straight tube catamarans; they're not really following any kind of retcon here; the set pics and uniform pics say to me that they're making up there own. More power to them, but I wouldn't go looking to TOS or other established Pre-TOS stylings for this ship; it'll look modern (modern as in present day modern). It'll have a surface very much like the space shuttle or ISS, with MOS jets, hatches, etc. Weathering...it'll look a little like the skin of a Star Wars ship in that respect.
These guys are talented pros; they're going to be designing things that will look modern today, not from 1965...
Dan
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Enterprise
By Axaday
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That really is a beautiful starship drawing. But if it is correct, I kinda think we're looking at a problem that I thought we'd run into. How do you make a cool ship that looks like a predecessor to 1701? In this case, the ship is cool, but looks 200 years later than we are setting the show. It could have been fighting the Borg in First Contact. I think that I would have been happier with no real saucer, but I'm still okay.
But here's something I am interested in: How many people are on board? Isn't it really possible that the cast that have been announced are the whole crew? This ship could be just a bit bigger than a yacht. If so, their quarters could easily fit anywhere. Birds of Prey have a population of only 12, right? So if this is just a little ship, maybe it does too.
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Secondary Hull
By Rocko
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If you look at the arm patch, there is black shading in between the cicular forward hull and where the angled nacell struts meet. The star field on the left side of the ship is not present, indicating that the stars are being blocked by something. This would seem to indicate that there is indeed a secondary hull perhaps attatched directly to the underbelly of the saucer section, and probably containing the deflector. The two pontoons as seen from the direct overview could in fact be not pontoons at all, but the rounded tops of the secondary hull.
A secondary hull would add significantly more interior real estate because the saucer section alone doesn't seem to offer a great deal of room. In fact, a present Nimitz-class carrier might dwarf this Enterprise.
The entire arm patch thing could be a hoax, but this latest hint of the new ship does hold promise. I would hope that the design team keeps in mind a retro look and feel to it and maybe even a cool paint job or pre-Federation UN-style logo on the hull.
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Turned upside down?
By Sim
(sebian@simpathy.de) at 06:38:54 on July 02
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What about the info that said it would be like previous ships, but turned upside down?
Maybe it's similar to these images, but upside down and so look a bit like the shuttles in TNG?
That image with dark and light blue, doesn't it show exactly that, because it's the right nacelle that's light blue?
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Could be... but it needs to be a bit more retro-like...
By Captain_Stingray
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and more simplistic. If it is to be a predecesor ship to the 1701, be a throw-back of an Akira class design, and look like an "upside down 1701," it needs to be a helluvalot more simpler than what C3 has conjured up.
This isn't a bash at C3 - I like C3. But their ships are a little more sophisticated than what I"m used to.
Go link
It's what I'm trying to explain about the design.
It's not detailed in the slightest (i.e. no textures) and it was what I conjured up in a half hour using 3D Studio Max (that's right - I said 3D Max - they're using LightWave for the CG starships, but I don't have LightWave on this computer).
Let me know what you think.
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well, how about the rest of it?
By DiggsBiggly
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I think we've pretty well covered the outside of the ship for now. But what about the interior? Of course, for this show, the space that there will be for the interior will be completely minimal and cramped, perhaps alot more like the Defiant. As always, the key to the interior will be a great bridge design... Voyager's bridge was too damn confusing, too many levels, railings, consoles sticking out from walls. A nice simple bridge like TOS or TNG would be good.
If they do it right they'll have a ship that I feel really attached to like I was with the Enterprise-D.
Well, just wanted to get people to talk about the interior too... talk away.
-Diggs
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Any thoughts here on scale...
By falcon
() at 02:26:17 on July 02
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...I wonder what the diameter of the saucer will be, and thus the overall size of the ship - it would seem appropriate that it be smaller than NCC-1701.
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good enough
By Grand Admiral Thrawn
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I wish it would be a little more stream-lined than this rendering with nacelles swept down-wards and a raised roller-bar assembly which is essentially ncc-1701 flipped downwards and a squished retro akira. There you have a ship that I can live with for 7 more years. I wish paramount would come forth with the official pic of the Enterprise to end all of this specualtion and wait
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Why Am I So Confused?
By Jean-Luc
(cooljeanluc@startrekmail.com) at 21:58:50 on July 01
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OK, between this rendering and Dan Crout's here link it looks like we're really on to something. But wasn't there a reliable story saying the ship looked something like a Constitution class but upside down, like one of Matt Jeffries original designs?
OK, I just checked and that came from AICN so that makes its accuracy 50/50, but it was somewhat consistent with Eaves saying it sort of resembled the Akira class. So maybe if you flip over the Akira and make it retro, you have a new Enterprise?! Looking at the patch again, yes it looks like those rendered ships, so maybe I've worked out my confusion on my own. Thanks anyway!
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Good start, G...
By DRCrout
() at 21:58:44 on July 01
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I think you're mostly right on (though I think they'll probably steamline it a little more, and extend the nacelles a bit. I also think you might see a bit fancier superstructure, and the deflector will be down, not up (gotta have balance, baby :-) )
Dan
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Hot damn!
By GabrielCKoerner
() at 21:03:17 on July 01
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GOOD GOD!!!!!!!
I was building my own "could this be the Enterprise?" model of my own in Lightwave and this one is almost EXACTLY the same as the one I've been working on! I guess there's no point in finishing mine. :)
For a look at how eerily similar the two are, check out the progress on mine at...
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Regards,
Gabriel
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Ahh, memories...
By Anarchos
(mickey_smythe@hotmail.com) at 20:00:39 on July 01
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I remember that E-E rendering C3 did all those years ago. Man, that was back in the day, on the ole' 486, when I could only run Windows in 16-colour mode.
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"The object of war is not to die for your country, but make the other bastard die for his."
- General George Patton
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Looks like Larry's got it...
By DRCrout
() at 19:59:22 on July 01
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...even if he's probably gone a little too blocky; it will probably be a nice mix of streamlined and industrialized, similar to what we see in the space shuttle and modern orbital vessels.
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