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First Side View Image of New Enterprise NX-01 |
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15:24:47 on July 12 2001
By: Steve Krutzler
Dept: Enterprise | www.stenterprise.com
The image to the right (click for larger) appeared in today's edition of USA Today, page 6d, and was sent in by LCARScom.net.
This is the first image of the new Enterprise NX-01 to show the new ship from other than the top view featured in TV Guide earlier this week.
The image is copyright © 2001 by Paramount Pictures. All rights reserved. |
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Best Trek Starship Ever
By Supster
() at 19:03:02 on July 21
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This is coming from someone who used to draw the NC-1701 when I was a kid in school in the early 1970's. I was obsessed with Trek, and that original ship. So I don't post this lightly:
I've been looking these shots over, and NX-01 is the most stylin' Trek ship ever.
John Eaves has pulled off some classic design work, and that's no small feat considering what he was up against: 30 odd years of Trek series, films, and manuals that had already established a design ethic for a future universe.
His job? Take all that into account, and draw up something that pre-dates all the ships we've seen before, anticipating them, at the same time projecting our current (real world) design trends 150 years into the future - and make it kick *ss, without alluding too much to the fact that he already knows what later ships are going to look like.
NX-01 pulls this off incredibly well. When I see this ship I see not just the descendant Trek ships - but also a 20th century nuclear sub, a 1957 Chevy Bellair, and some gleaming graceful sea animal straight out of a 1930's art deco vision of a utopian future.
It has it all, yet most of what I hear from fans on this board are whinings about meticulous details.
So: because this design has the Deflector Dish on the front of the main saucer, and has no Secondary Hull to speak of ... *this* is why some of you are crying that it's an Akira ripoff?? LOL! The nacelles are swinging up anyway, so what's your problem...
This kind of the thing is why Trekkers are ridiculed as the most extreme example of nutty cult fandom in the world.
Relax, step back, and look at it again. It's beautiful. Sexy. I would ask it to marry me, but it's only a fictional inanimate spaceship in a fictional world created for entertainment.
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NX-01 also looks like Loknar-class!
By Sub-Odeon
(subodeon@qwest.net) at 13:42:37 on July 16
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One more thing I was thinking about over the weekend is how the new NX-01 design is not unlike that of the old Loknar-class from the late, great FASA starship combat game. See a pic of that ship I got off the web: link
One wonders if the guys at Trek don't skim back over those old game manuals after all?? Hehehehe... Anyway, it's too bad they didn't try and adapt something like the Loknar. At least then the NX-01 would look much more like a pre-TOS ship than a warmed-over TNG ripoff, which is basically what the NX-01 is. Other than the hull lettering--which amazingly is in style with the TOS and pre-TOS era--the NX-01 is a thinly-veiled copy of the Akira.
My only hope for accepting the design of this ship as being consistent with Trek canon is that somehow, someway they make a case for the Akira being a revisiting of an 'earlier' design philosophy. Make the Akira a direct descendant of the NX-01, and explain that in a new movie or at least in an update of the Trek Encyclopedia.
But if the guys at Trek try to act like the NX-01 is a totally new or original design, or like the Akira and the NX-01 will have nothing in common, I will throw up.
Yes, we Trekkies get heat for being too fixated on minutae. But SF series live and die by the consistency of their products. SF fans have high expectations in this regard, and rightly so. Thus far, much of the news surrounding the new ENTERPRISE series leaves a lot to be desired in terms of consistency. By the time ENTERPRISE wraps up its 7-year arc, the entire history of Star Trek could be a wrecked heap.
I hope this does not happen, but I fear that it may be inevitable with B+B at the helm.
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Ships Comparisons
By thenexus
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Sorry about that, the link didn't come out right, her e it goes again.
Actually I think the ships looks pretty cool. I know a lot of people are complaining that The ship has too much detail or whatever but isn't this sci-fi stuff about using your imagination a bit? To me it looks like a pre TOS ship and bare in mind that this ship is probably half as big as the TOS Enterprise.
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I think the ship looks cool and it follows closely the details set by the Phoenix outside the ship and inside the ship ( the panels, etc.) I am looking forward to seeing how the show develops. Let's not be so picky about it and enjoy it.
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Ships Comparisons
By thenexus
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Actually I think the ships looks pretty cool. I know a lot of people are complaining that The ship has too much detail or whatever but isn't this sci-fi stuff about using your imagination a bit? To me it looks like a pre TOS ship and bare in mind that this ship is probably half as big as the TOS Enterprise.
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I think the ship looks cool and it follows closely the details set by the Phoenix outside the ship and inside the ship ( the panels, etc.) I am looking forward to seeing how the show develops. Let's not be so picky about it and enjoy it.
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A Vessel for Daring
By Yorik
() at 20:39:15 on July 14
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Do the Star Trek people read these comments? They should, as there seems to be a reasonable degree of consensus. The new Enterprise probably should look a lot smoother, probably more like the "Horizon" (I think) model in Sisko's office. Certainly the artistic and technical skills of the designers could have made such a ship look both futuristic AND a logical precursor to the orginal Enterprise. But no matter. It's the show that counts! Will it at last grow up and be to the current era what the orginal was to the 60s - a very adult, very daring and very much breakthrough television? Will it challenge the content, format and approach television has to SF? In doing so it would have to challenge Star Trek itself - the pattern for all space-based SF since the 60s. Will I see themes and ideas explored that other shows just can't/won't do (not just quaint cultural rituals of the Bajorans and other who-gives-damn creations), but explorations of the extremes of humanity facing the infinite canvas of the Universe? The scope for DRAMA is unmatched anywhere else in TV. If they dare to voyage beyond the limitations which have constrained Star Trek since TNG, then I don't care what the ship in which they do it looks like! Boldy Go!
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The ship looks modern because...
By beowulf
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the past (our future) has been changed. In the original sequence, the Borg didn't come back to kill Cochran. He flew off in the first real starship and became the lover/slave of an alien being. In First Contact, however, because of the Borg and the Enterprise-E, the past was changed. Both Cochran and his engineer assistant got a good look at what a starship from 200 years in their future looked like. Also, they were introduced to the concept of transporters (which were originally developed not long before 2245). It makes perfect sense that the NX-01 has some TNG looks to it, because that's what they thought it should look like. Obviously, I'm taking the geek approach here, and avoiding what is probably the real reason the ship looks modern, i.e., no one would want to watch a 21st century show that had special effects from the 1960's.
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Give me a break
By starbaseops
(starbaseops@yahoo.com) at 23:45:47 on July 13
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Can Trek fans try any harder to degrade ENTERPRISE?? I mean why the hell do you bother even coming to this website and reading this stuff? If you like it, great, post a message and let's talk about it. If you just can't stand the idea of a cool looking ship, a new cast, and Berman in the driver's seat, then that's great too. I just wonder why you would spend so much time telling the rest of the world how bad something sucks, and yet, you keep coming back to it over and over.
And you know what else...I think the majority of you who complain and say "oh, I'll never watch that un-original waste of time" will tune in on the premier date and watch just like the rest of us.
there, I've said my piece.
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Nice looking ship.
By Skippy2k
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It is obvious that the ship based off the akira class ship, but in The Next Generation Finale "All Good Things" Crushers ship the Pasteur (pardon spelling if incorrect) basicly looks like a future version of the daedulus class. Maybe just a return to the look of an earlier design.
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A few anal wonderings...
By Strategerie
(dhill@symetrex.com) at 20:31:22 on July 13
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I wonder, being a TOS fan and all, how they would construct such a ship in space since it was 100 years earlier than Kirk/Spock.
I wonder why the individual plating and the smooth integrated lines. Should it not be a bit bulkier if built in space with add-on parts looking like they "plugged" in?
The slim, wing-like nacelle structure reminds me more of TMP rather than TOS. Why not just straight pilons? I don't think that era was thinking about flight dynamics with the first warp capable ships...
It's Akira similarities are a bit too obvious...
But otherwise, it's quite satisfactory... The interiors are a throwback to an earlier era...
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NX-01 design concerns - retry
By Sub-Odeon
(subodeon@qwest.net) at 19:05:02 on July 13
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Oops. Some of the formatting got messed up on the links. I'll try again...
I will be the first to say that I think the design for the NX-01 is way too similar to the Akira-class: link
Basically, the NX-01 is just an Akira with its nacelles and pylons flipped up instead of down. Otherwise, any differences are minor, and cosmetic. SURELY the Trek producers could have come up with something more original than this! PLEASE!
Also, the ship design does not mesh with existing canon concerning the evolution of starship design in the Federation or even pre-Federation. Cochrane's first warp ship, the Phoenix; link
is very much different from 23rd or 24th century Federation designs, and even though the NX-01 is perhaps 90 years advanced from Cochrane's first ship, I still don't think it should look like it does.
I mean, what about the Daedalus-class ships? link
These rugged little vessels are supposed to be some of the young Federation's first deep space exploration vessels, more advanced than the NX-01 to be sure. Yet the NX-01 looks more advanced than the Daedalus-class, more advanced even than the TOS-era Constitution-class ships: link
Put simply, this is not a good sign. In the very design of the new ship, Trek's producers seem to be making plain the fact that they have little respect for the canon of the show. And I mean, it would not have taken ANY effort to come up with something different. Hell, why not just use the damned Daedalus-class??? It's supposed to be around in the 2150's, or so I have read. At the very least they could have tried a different LOOK than the one they decided upon, one that was not obviously a patent rip-off of an existing TNG-era design.
Some have argued that we can't hamstring ourselves by clinging to the 1960's schlock of the TOS series. And, in some ways, this is true. But ship panels or no, details or no, it would be nice if the minds at Trek could come up with a basic design that in its very structure would APPEAR like a logical evolutionary step between, say, the Phoenix and the Daedalus-class.
Instead, they throw a mildly warmed-over version of the Akira-class at us and we're just supposed to buy it? Sorry. I don't buy it!
Taken out of context, the new design is keen. I have no problem with it, in and of itself. But placed in the context of the Trek history, the NX-01 looks completely and totally out of place!
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Alien Ships
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Well, since people are so worried about the new Enterprise looking more futuristic than TOS series; maybe some of the alien ships should be big spinning freakin' blobs of light like some TOS ships were. Or maybe thay can have a big hand that grabs the ship. Man, how cool would that be? ; )
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Details on the Enterprise and Budget
By Sir_Spock
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Sorry if this post apears more then once, I was having trouble posting it.
It realy has little to do with budgets. The Enterprise in TOS didn't have plating detail not because of budget cuts, but because they wanted a totaly smooth (and futuristic) surface as the maker of the model Richard C. Datin has often said. The detail in DS9 is 1) because when the TOS model was restored by Ed Miarecki he added in the plating lines (that that Datin disagrees totaly with), and the model Gregory B. Jein built for the DS9 episode was based of that. 2) infact there was alot of detail on the TOS Enterprise, miniture signs, scanner panels etc. on the original that could not be capture because 1960s optical effects caused serious image degradation. Most of the detail (apart from the plating detail) on the 1701 in Triles and Tibblations was infact on the 1960's original model it's just modern digital compositing allowed the existing details to be seen.
Have a look here fo the history of the models used on Star Trek
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So Enterprise NX-01 should have alot of plating as it could be too early to have a smooth surface. The real question is why did the refited Enterprise and the A,B,C,D,E suddenly not have the smooth surfce. We already have smooth surfaces on some modern submarines to reduce drag, so having them on starships 200 years from now isn't a problem.
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Alien Ships
By WebPimp
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Does anybody wonder what other ships will look like?
The Klingons, Vulcans, et al will also be 100 years before Kirks time, so their ships will have a different feel. It will be interesting to see where the Enterprise fits in technology wise with these other ships.
That also may be one of the reasons that the Enterprise is further advanced than some people would care for. If they are going to stand any chance in battles against an alien craft, it would not work if it was ALWAYS a David and Goliath situation.
-C-
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C'mon
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() at 03:45:21 on July 13
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I gotta say something here. All I hear is Nacelle this or Defletor that....."Too much hull detail" or the Bridge looks too modern. Personally, they could have used a more TMP-esque Warp Nacelle and it wouldn't have hurt my feelings. The sets are fine, the uniforms are fine (they're the most functional of any show).....Get over it. Do ya wanna bring back the Deflector "Dish" and that stupid view sight at the helm too? The look of TOS was due to the time period and budget, not some grand engineering or fasion concept.
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RE: C'mon
by CaptQuerko @ 10:17:03 EDT on 14 Jul
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RE: C'mon
by Chris Pike @ 13:41:45 EDT on 13 Jul
It's about budgets
By salander3
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When ST:TMP came out, I was so glad to see that the Enterprise was finally realized with as much detail as Roddendbery had perhaps hoped he could have done so back in the TOS days. It wasn't just the retrofit of the ship...the detail on the plating of the Enterprise, the lights, the windows, etc. Had the resources been available during TOS' run, I think the original Enterprise would have looked more like what the TMP Enterprise did. If you think of it that way, and envision the TOS Enterprise with the level of detail present in TMP, then it is not hard to accept this new Enterprise as a precursor.
Also, does anyone remember the TOS Enterprise that was shown in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations?" If I'm not mistaken it looked different and more "realistic" than it ever did in TOS. Maybe if we see the new Enterprise as a precursor to this better rendered version of the TOS Enterprise it is easier to see a relationship between the two.
Just my two cents...
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Cut 'em some slack
By jhuang0
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You people ... cuz the "new blue" look some slack... Look at the Enterprise E... just when you thought they threw out that elongated nacelle with the Excelsior... it comes back in the future. The same may hold true with the new Enterprise.... ships change shape (and color) over the course of time... so don't judge it too critically.
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Akira?
By AwTrekkie
(bob1234@hotmail.com) at 00:42:29 on July 13
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Um...an Akira? Has Braga and Berman become that uncreative? The changes are minor to an akira. There are also several errors. In TOS the ship was smooth. There was little hull detail. From the pictures we have seen of the previous ship (the one with the sphere for a saucer) was also smooth. Why would a ship that is older than this have so much detail? Also, why does it glow blue? If I remember correctly, the Original Enterprise didn't glow, and neither did Chocrane's ship in First Contact. Why do the producers want to rewrite star trek histroy?
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What a beauty!
By Beamer
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Some thoughts in humble gazing:
The deflector dish seems small in comparison with all the other starship designs at first glance…but if you look closely, I think that thing drops down a WHOLE lot. Remember, we haven’t sent he bottom of this thing. Given the swoop on the bottom of the TOS ships, I think the chunkiest part of this thing lies beneath.
I’ve looked to see if this thing was designed to separate. I don’t see any logical place for it to do so.
The ends of nacelles are different from anything seen previously.
If you take the bridge cap as a reference (along with the view on the ET segment), this is still a fairly sized craft.
Has the number of decks been revealed? I count about 8-10.
The “hub” in the middle of the pylons that support the nacelles has a VERY Reliant look to it.
The design seems to indicate that the whole thing was built to “take” the thrust of warp speed. With the science being 100 years pre-TOS, AND given the way that in TOS everyone got tossed like a fresh salad, AND given the narrow passageway in the NX-01, we could see some “Red-shirt” turn into chunky salsa! Wouldn’t that make for a fine Wednesday night!!
And last but not least……..WHERE'S THE HEAD?!?
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Homage to Classic E
By Edzo
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What I like best (so far) about the Enterprise NX-01 are the two dark, curved strips surrounding the port and starboard running lights on the top of the saucer section.
If you look at pictures of the original Enterprise model from 1964 ("The Cage"), there are curved strips in exactly the same place on the saucer. Kewl!
For a purist like me, however, the nacelle caps should ideally have little pointed spikes like on "The Cage" Enterprise, but hey, I'm not complaining. The ship looks great!
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