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    117 minutes
    Dir: Stuart Baird
    Screenplay: John Logan
    Patrick Stewart, Brent Spiner, Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn, Gates McFadden, LeVar Burton, Tom Hardy

    Written by Steve Krutzler

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    This review contains moderate spoilers for the film, but not the ending.

    The underwhelming feeling that usually accompanies a new STAR TREK film—admit it, even FIRST CONTACT—is finally gone. With STAR TREK NEMESIS, the NEXT GENERATION has finally arrived on the big screen, in a big way. It’s taken four films and eight years but we’re finally presented with an adventure containing the depth and epic quality of a feature film. NEMESIS does everything a STAR TREK movie should, but hasn’t done in a long time, mixing large-scale action/adventure with stimulating character drama in a package you just can’t get on the small screen.

    Chiefly at work here is John Logan’s screenplay, which, while significantly shortened in the final cut of the film, still manages to weave a more intricate tapestry than any of the TNG films to date. Intertwining storylines parallel one another while also presenting different sides of the issues involved. The primary thrust of the plot involves Picard facing down his younger clone, Shinzon, who is at once the same and a different man than our intrepid captain. Four intense scenes between Patrick Stewart and Tom Hardy explore the implications of this doubling, taking Picard on an arc from hopefulness, recognizing his own nobility in Shinzon; to despair, realizing the potential for evil in himself that Shinzon represents; and finally to personal actualization, deciding to buck genetic determinism in favor of the kind of individual agency celebrated by the best tradition of Hollywood cinema.

    The TNG crew back again Stewart, for his part, seems to have awakened from the daze of a performance he slept through in 1998’s INSURRECTION and with plenty of scenes opposite Shinzon, Picard is amazingly brought back into the realm of the thoughtful captain we came to know in the television series. Of course, in the end he finally grabs a phaser rifle to take care of business but what drives him to that point is more credible and meaningful than just about all the TNG pics (save perhaps FIRST CONTACT, which at least posited a legitimate, if superficial, reason for his sudden donning of a tank top). But you’re not going to see Stewart walking around like Lara Croft in NEMEIS and it’s a welcome change to see him brought back to the action-as-last-resort character that established Picard as a STAR TREK classic.

    The newcomer Hardy brings a Napoleonic vibe to Shinzon, who resembles Picard well enough thanks to the wizardry of make up artist Michael Westmore, and plays the emotional highs and lows of the character with splendor. Shinzon doesn’t have quite as much scenery to chew on as Ricardo Montalban’s iconic Khan, the inevitable barometer for better or worse, or as many memorable lines, but Hardy has far more screen time opposite Stewart than the Pectoral One ever did with Shatner and what’s surprising is the performance. Hardy stands toe to toe with Stewart in every scene and his intense energy as Shinzon carves a villain who easily sits atop the NEXT GENERATION films.

    Shinzon is also a much more credible villain than his TNG cohorts. Soran was random and underused in GENERATIONS; the Borg Queen delivered a salacious but ultimately empty performance while dumbing down the Borg too much for my taste; and Ru’afo was even more underdeveloped than Soran. Where Shinzon differs is a personal connection with Picard much more intimate than it ever was for Kirk. Where Khan embodied the Ahab mold, Soran had a lack of empathy, Ru’afo sought little more than petty revenge, and the Queen chased “perfection” about as earnestly as a hormonal teenager chases her next orgasm, the motivations for Shinzon are tangible and multifaceted. He needs Picard for his own survival and possesses a palpable thirst for revenge that has a more interesting implication for Picard than the last-minute Moby Dick redux in FIRST CONTACT. It’s difficult to try and outdo a performance like Montalban’s, but Hardy infuses his villain with a life and vigor rarely seen in a STAR TREK baddie.

    Something sinister's afoot Amongst all this is interwoven a secondary plot about Data and the discovery of his prototype brother, B4. Precursor to Data in every way, B4 demonstrates only the most basic of cognitive functions and stands distinct from Lore, the evil brother often utilized in the television series. But rather than existing as a throwaway B-plot (no pun intended) to fill a script void (see the 21st century and its hollow ruminations on heroism, which had nothing to do with the Borg, in ST:FC), Data/B4 parallels Picard/Shinzon and presents a different side of the nature/nurture question that permeates the entire film. B4 is little more than the sum of his parts, it seems, while Data is so much more. Although some additional scenes of the two have been excised from the film, one particular moment in which Data speaks with B4 wonderfully foreshadows the end of the movie. In fact, the denouement is executed with enough imagination that it actually ends up seeming quite original.

    Another level of doppelganger in the film concerns the comparison between the Romulans and the Remans. The latter are vicious warriors with a deformed physical appearance (it is never quite stated whether the Remans were originally Romulans or an indigenous species enslaved by the empire) because they are subjugated in dilithium mines on a planet where the Sun doesn’t shine. The least developed, this thread would have been better served with less edits, particularly an early scene where Shinzon explains the symbolism of the Romulan imperial insignia and announces his plans of conquest to fellow conspirators. However, the script makes judicious use of the Romulans, adding an intriguing new mythology to these classic TREK villains while at the same time penning an original adversary that can stand on its own and raise the film above the television fare. Logan has scripted three variations on the “nemesis” theme, one directly physical (Romulans vs. Remans), one mechanical and artificial (Data vs. B4), and one personal and emotional (Picard vs. Shinzon). This is the underlying structure of the film and the major technique that sets it apart from the superficial, linear storytelling of previous NEXT GEN films.

    An appropriately concomitant theme running throughout the picture is change. Here this comes in the form of an aging TNG family, introduced at the outset with the wedding of Riker and Troi, itself a huge symbol of change. The setup for the film involves establishing the familial connections among the crew and Logan accomplishes this largely through humor. Unlike the slapstick that beats you over the head in the last three movies, levity is effectively drawn from character and situation, rather than one-liners. The wedding sequence has been significantly shortened for the film, but Whoopi Goldberg as Guinan has some lines and Wesley Crusher is visible in a few frames. You will actually find yourself laughing instead of cringing during the first few minutes of this film, and the light-heartedness of these early scenes is important in making the dramatic payoff successful in the end.

    Director Stuart Baird adds an incredibly different sequence to the movie early on with the away team visit to Kolarus III, where B4 is first discovered. Shot in the desert with a yellow filter, these scenes have a grainy, textured, visceral quality rarely glimpsed in STAR TREK, especially the polished 24th century of the NEXT GEN universe. Interspersed with comedy and coming to a rousing conclusion, Picard’s penchant for driving a futuristic jeep over sand dunes does more to convey a sense of reclaimed youth than the recent Mamba routine but, unfortunately, this sequence doesn’t resonate with much of that meaning due to earlier excised scenes. But it does foreshadow the encounter with Picard’s flesh and blood inner youth, not to mention another action scene to come. Baird’s contribution also mounts in the photography of the Enterprise (with the help of cinematographer Jeffrey Kimball), which is imbued with a dark edginess and angles that don’t quite seem standard.

    Riker and Worf taking action Adding to the cinematic expansiveness is composer Jerry Goldsmith’s surprisingly impressive score. Why surprising? Mainly because after listening to the soundtrack you probably think much of the music is boring and reuses too many old Goldsmith themes. You’re only half right. The score for the film is decidedly low-key but this works only to its benefit. From the abbreviated opening title sequence to the electronic, BLADERUNNER-inspired mysteriousness of the B4 cues, the original portions of Goldsmith’s music are his best TREK work since THE MOTION PICTURE. Not only do the slow, melodic, electronic parts augment the darkness and intensity boiling below the surface in many scenes, but they represent a departure for TREK scores that are usually entirely reliant on traditional compositions. The Romulan/Reman theme is bombastic and sweeping and while some quiet scenes may scream for musical accompaniment, the reused cues consume with nostalgic fervor.

    Two distinct themes are reused here by Goldsmith, the TMP/TNG theme and the FIRST CONTACT French horn theme (think “The Dish” scene). But while the last two movies reeked of rehash in the composition department—you won’t hear the Klingon theme every time Worf has something to say this time out—these two portions do wonders for transporting THE NEXT GENERATION firmly into the universe of the other STAR TREK movies. The Enterprise on screen is accompanied by an almost somber reworking of the main TMP theme; it’s not in your face like the TNG rework and the melancholic take is quite effective. The final moments of the picture show the Enterprise in space dock and Goldsmith taps some of his TMP space dock theme almost exactly, conjuring effective nostalgia. This also book ends the film series, which started with a majestic tour of the Enterprise-1701 and now quite possibly ends with the Enterprise-E in a similar context. The reuse of the FIRST CONTACT cue is minimal but comes into play during several TNG-as-family moments, working wonderfully because it ties together the TNG movies as their own series.

    An impressive achievement is the third act’s extended space combat sequence between the Enterprise and Shinzon’s vessel, the Scimitar. This sequence plays like two submarines meeting each other in a test of strength and power, and finally brings to the theatrical screen a TNG battle worthy of being there. The starships are not tiny, maneuverable fighter planes, but rather tall capital ships that peck at each other and whose commanders enter into a battle of wits. Very much a duel between Picard and Shinzon, just as WRATH OF KHAN pit Kirk vs. Khan, the battle intercuts action with thoughtful strategizing and even a final personal meeting between the commanders, one last battlefield powwow between enemies. Counselor Troi becomes integral as a telepathic connection with Shinzon’s Viceroy becomes one of several twists that make this sequence far superior to the random, pitter-patter eye candy of films like ATTACK OF THE CLONES. The third act is also where Jonathan Frakes’s Riker sees the most action.

    The effects department cannot be undercut here, however, and NEMESIS contains more visual effects shots than any previous STAR TREK film. Produced by Digital Domain, the work is splendid and makes the flat, cartoon-look of the Enterprise in INSURRECTION a distant memory, and there is nary a stinker in the entire reel. Stunning CGI work is on display with exteriors of Romulus and the Romulan Senate as well as the surface of Remus and the Reman mines. In fact, the shots of the Senate go a long way toward invoking the Roman era of John Logan’s other film, GLADIATOR, an homage assisted by the future/past pastiche of the chamber’s interior design, which even features huge wooden doors. FX range from new transporter and warp speed effects to a plethora of battle shots. Oh, and you’ll briefly notice an entirely redesigned Sickbay.

    In any work of this scope, there have to be casualties and in NEMESIS they’re mainly Michael Dorn’s Worf and Gates McFadden’s Dr. Crusher. Both have few scenes and potentially satisfying lines of dialogue in the script have been excised. You have to wonder at 117 minutes, why not let some of these moments remain? This limitation expands to become the major disappointment of the film—-too many scenes cut to make way for action. If you’re familiar with the script or have been following recent interviews, it’s difficult not to feel like the movie could’ve struck a home run with a few more integral character scenes.

    Lost scene that could've really pushed NEMESIS over the top In particular, a deleted scene early in the film between Picard and Data was to brilliantly foreshadow the arcs for both characters. The impact of the final dramatic moments is lessened particularly by the removal of this scene. While it’s understandable that many cuts needed to be made, most for legitimate reasons (the Shinzon scenes, for instance, may have revealed too much too early), this scene was arguably a meaty one. The transition from the end of the wedding to, “Captain, I am detecting a strange reading on Kolarus III,” can’t be more than sixty seconds flat; imagine STAR TREK II without McCoy’s birthday visit to Kirk’s apartment. Analogous in so many ways (yet very distinct), the inclusion of this scene alone might have pushed NEMESIS over the top. Frames between Picard and Troi after meeting Shinzon were also legitimate candidates for inclusion, to more effectively stress the psychological crisis Picard is supposedly going through. The best edits come in the wedding scene, which was scripted far longer and ends up well-paced, very humorous and incredibly memorable (although Worf drinking Romulan Ale seems a bit out of place).

    The first act is enormously trimmed in order to flow quickly, though non-fans may not appreciate the bit of character indulgence that survives. With more character moments than you’ll find in the wham-bam FIRST CONTACT, the first half of the film should’ve been longer to set up character arcs and utilize the entire cast more effectively. It’s these quieter moments and longer takes that set a movie apart from its television incarnation. But Rick Berman is foremost a television producer so it’s no surprise that the film suffers from a lingering reliance on television-style editing that skips ahead at an adolescent pace, eager to get to the goods without enough tantalizing foreplay. Needless to say, a director’s cut of the film and inclusion of all missing footage in a gallery for the DVD release are practically obligatory. It’s unfortunate that too many of the right scenes were wrongfully cut.

    Pontificating about all the scenes that could’ve been, however, would be to misinterpret the sense of satisfaction NEMESIS instills in this STAR TREK fan. There is no doubt that additional scenes would have raised the bar to another level, but this film creates a hunger for additional moments as a testament to its success. On the unenviable scale of now ten STAR TREK movies, NEMESIS is light years ahead of its NEXT GENERATION companions and third behind KHAN and THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. This movie will give TREK fans an immense feeling of “finally!” and if you come out wanting more you’ll just have see it again.

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    By Spencer Gray () at 17:24:31 on December 30 2002
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    I'd seen all the Trek's in the theater on the first day going back to ST4.. prior to that I was too young to care.. but insurrection I skipped altogether.. I held off on nemesis until this weekend.
    The movie had it's moments and it is obvious that Logan was trying to clone TWOK. A lot of things were done well.. The plot does what ST does best by echoing subplots and characters but it is clear that the missing scenes took away from this. ST2 was more than a blockbluster flick because of the tapestry of the film. Nemesis does this to a degree, but it's fleshed out fully because of missing scenes. The cut-out conversation w/data and the final conversation w/B4 are one of those echoes that you are just missing that really would have fleshed out the meaningless bad guy doing bad things story. Picard lamenting his age was supposed to be a subplot.. but that's not there. Nick Meyers use of quoting classic literature was occasionally corny BUT the way he mirrored A Tale of Two Cities in ST2 was brilliant. As a fan my big complaint is the lack of development of shinzon's character and the meaningless uberweapon that he has. Genesis wasn't a weapon it was a tool that was distorted.. actually created ethical discussions.. this big raygun/deathstar is just an empty plot device to give Shinzon some power.. not very interesting and certainly not original

    While that limited thread development makes Nemesis enjoyable for a trek fan.. its easy to see why non trek fans don't like it. There is a lot more subtle reference to trek canon that is meaningless to non fans than in other movies. The action sequences are kinda dopey and shinzon just isn't fleshed out.

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    Shinzon's Death
    By B'Jem () at 10:01:29 on December 19 2002
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    I've enjoyed reading all the posts, even the negative ones. The analysis from Trek fans is head and shoulders above the reviews from civilians.
    One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the significance of Shinzon's death -- it's exactly how Picard would've died, had he not been given his artificial heart. In TNG's season two, Polaski must repair his transplant. Picard tells Wesley how he had been injured in the bar fight with the Corsicans, stabbed through the chest, and existing ever since with a mechanical heart. It was appropriately coincidental for Picard's clone to suffer the same injury.
    Like Steve, I give Nemesis 4 out of 5 stars. It was long on action, but short on warmth. Not enough Worf or Crusher. And Data's death should have been noted with some kind of ritual. For what it's worth, here are my rankings of the ten ST movies:
    1 (tied) First Contact and Voyage Home
    3 (tied) Wrath of Kahn and Nemesis
    5 Generations
    6 Undiscovered Country
    7 Search for Spock
    8 Insurrection
    9 The Movie
    10 Final Frontier



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    I can't for a moment fathom how anyone posting to TrekWeb can be so po
    By Spot () at 08:04:43 on December 18 2002
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    As I predicted, Nemesis is a bunch of craps.

    1. The Romulan Senates Assassination - Copying Indiana Jones

    2. The wedding - whom, beside Star Trek Triumph Nerds, would want to see this? It is not related to the theme (Romulan), and it is not about exploration. No casual viewers can understand why in the world would there be a stupid wedding to start with. The scenes are not even funny.

    Who in the world like to see Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis do it?
    More Bermen sensuality.

    3. Desert Chasing Scene - What a coincidence. They landed at nowhere, but near Nevada, and immediately there are aliens chasing them. It is B graded writing?

    4. Data, and another Brother/Daughter/Clone - Recycling TNG's. Nothing new.

    4. Star Trek: Attack of the Clone

    - Picard piloting shuttle pod in the Ramen ship

    - Picard kills Shinzon
    I was expecting Shinzon to say: "Luke! I am your father", then he falls down to the energy beam.

    - The Ramen who fights Riker falls down the Star War tube.

    5. Stupid Nemesis = Shinzon
    - Absolutely has not idea how to command. He could have easily destroyed the Enterprise with supreme firepower. Even after he did manage to disable the Enterprise’s shield, he is stupid enough to stop right in front of the enemy and asking for surrender.

    He keeps on saying, "I know what you (Picard) are thinking", and he keeps on letting Picard surprise him.

    6 Not plausible
    - Shinzon putting B-4 in the desert as a lure. He must be able to predict the exact move the Enterprise crews will make (The crews could have deactivate B-4 until they go to a Star Base, and Shinzon has only few days to gather the information). This sounds like a mission impossible.

    - Picard is even more impressive. Not only he knows Shinzon's plan. He is able to plan the Data/B-4 switch. There is absolutely no guesswork. Picard is a telepath.

    - Picard transporting himself to Shinzon’s ship alone. What kind of Captain is he? Does he think he can kill Shinzon and tons and tons Ramen on that ship alone? Oh, he did win this one against several hundred fights, and he ended up killing Shinzon. That sounds very plausible.

    - Wolfs amazingly accurate shooting by lying down on the ground.

    - Borg lights in the Enterprise Jeffery Tube. Must be the same lights Borg left over there several years ago.

    - What is the alien boarding the Enterprise for?

    The Answer - To have Riker fights hand combat with the alien.

    - Data jumping to Shinzon’s ship
    VERY realistic. Data is able to deactivate any airlock. Also, Data will not bounce off of the ship due to inelastic collision.

    - The radiation stream is safe without any kind of shielding? Do you notice that there is no glass between the radiation stream and the command bridge? At the end, Data use a Phaser to deactivate the stream even though the stream generator is nowhere near the bridge.

    - Shinzon doesn't beam Picard to his ship right after the Enterprise's shield fails.

    - Troi can track ship by having cyber Sex with the commander.

    - Bermenistic fighting - Gun fight on the hallway in the Enterprise.

    - Bermenistic sensuality - Already explained

    - Bermenistic bad guy - Bad Alien of the week. Darth Shinzon? The evil looking Ramen? Evil people must all look like Hirogen.

    - Janeway factor - It is exciting to "Collide". As seen in "Generations" "VOY: Year of Hell" and "The episode which Voyager crush into the planet."

    The most disgusting of Sci-fi writing of all.

    Troi has mental sex with the Ramen commander.

    You can see Troi's Orgasm. Right after the orgasm, two white stuff shoot out (the torpedoes).

    I will not spend a cent more on this movie. More than that, I want my money back. I will not let my money be spent on more Rick Bermen production. I would rather have Star Trek movies cancelled than having Bermen destroy Star Trek.

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    Comparison with Bond?
    By Trekforever () at 16:17:07 on December 17 2002
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    Maybe you could help me on this. Trek has been compared with the James Bond franchise, which has also been around for quite some time and made twice as many movies as Trek. Since they both have been around for some time, why do you think that the latest Bond movie is doing so much better than Nemesis? Is there something Trek is missing that Bond knows about when it comes to trying to carry a franchise for many years?

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    After certain reaction to Nemesis...
    By viking5150 ( at 03:08:54 on December 17 2002
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    ...I must say that I am utterly blown away. I cannot for a moment fathom how anyone reading or posting to TrekWeb can be so negative. I've become so tired of the hatred for Trek that I've realized I'm one of a few that can see the good in it, and not just the bad. I sick of people here in general focusing on only the bad.

    Two faced fans annoy me. I remember when Robert Picardo slammed ENT, many here cried out that Voyager sucked and was 10x worse than ENT...yet all we read before was how awful ENT!

    Nemesis is not only a great ST movie, but a great movie in general. It seems that a movie with an actual story to go along with the special effects is a crime. Two dimensional characters are called for, I guess. I invite all of the negative reviewers of Nemesis to go and watch Indepedance Day or Attack of the Clones - lots of eye candy and no story.

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    Careful, spoilers
    By Noxmagic () at 22:45:09 on December 16 2002
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    I'm going to assume anyone reading this has already seen the film. My overall feeling is that Nemesis is a solid, good movie, but not the best Trek film to date. My vote for that honor goes to First Contact, but not by much. I'd rank Nemesis a very close second, tied with Wrath of Khan. I left the theater really wanting to believe Nemesis is the best Trek ever, considering it is probably the last TNG film. But several of its traits annoyed me. First, the editing seemed choppy. Transitions between some scenes felt as if there wasn't a logical bridge between them. Secondly, and I admit this is picky of me, there appeared to be some mistakes pertaining to established Trek history. For example, at one point Worf mentioned that there were intruders on deck 29 of the Enterprise...even though its been established that the Ent. E has only 24 decks. And what of Data's emotion chip? There is a scene where La Forge asked Data how he felt about downloading his memories into B-4. Data answered that he did not feel anything. Wasn't it established that Data's emotion chip was stuck in his head? I know he eventually gained that ability to turn it off and on, but he never seemed to turn it on at all during the movie. And what of the Remans. It was natural to assume that the inhabitants of Remus were simply Romulans living on the planet that orbited Romulus, but perhaps this is not the case, considering the treatment and appearance of the Remans. Are we to assume the Remans are a non-Romulan race, taken over by the Romulans when they moved to Romulus after leaving Vulcan? Or, are they Romulans who somehow developed into their frightening state (they did have pointed ears and forehead ridges not unlike the Romulans)? And what of Picard's academy era picture? He had a shaved head in the picture, yet we know from a TNG episode that he had a full head of hair at that time in his life. Perhaps the picture was from when he first entered the academy, and he later grew hair. Whatever the case, isn't it too much of a coincidence that Shinzon shaved his head just like Picard evidently did? Perhaps, considering his knowledge of Picard and his crew, he did so to look like an early picture of Picard he may have seen. The third major problem I had with Nemesis was the lack of screen time for Worf and Crusher. They were so short-changed, that they did not need to be in the movie. No wonder Michael Dorn said in an interview that he had to be talked into being in the movie. Now, for the stuff I loved. This was the best looking Trek movie by far. Tom Hardy as Shinzon did a wonderful job, especially in his scenes with Patrick Stewert. The look into the inner workings of the Romulans, though brief, was insightful. The overall story was well crafted, despite my aforementioned problems with some possible mistakes. The fight scenes between the Enterprise and Scinitar were breath-taking, and the conclusion of the film was outstanding. The final scene between Picard and Shinzon was well done. I found it very interesting how Picard reacted after Shinzon was killed. Instead of quickly pushing aside his dying body, finding a weapon and destroying the heart of the Scinitar's radiation machine, he just stood there, stricken. If not for Data disobeying orders and doing the job himself, I don't think Picard would have acted fast enough to save the Enterprise and Earth. I found this a nice touch, because perhaps Picard knew the closest weapon had been left downstairs, too far away to retrieve to use to destroy the radiation weapon. I guess we'll never know why he just stood there, but his ultimate failure added brevity to Data's actions. He had to be there in order to save the day. Another outstanding scene was the brief one where Data enlisted La Forge's help in jumping over to the Scinitar. Though brief, it was a testiment to Brent Spiner and Lavar Burton that they were able to convey sadness, regreat, understanding, and in the end regreat all in the fleeting moments between Data deciding to jump to the Scinitar and actually doing so. I think Data and La Forge knew Data wasn't coming back. The best scene, however, was the last, where B-4 begins singing, leaving Picard with a sense that perhaps Data wasn't lost afterall. Next to Spock's death scene, this was probably the most touching scene in a Trek movie. I also liked how Troi was given a true role to play. At least she wasn't short-changed on screen time or importance to the movie's overall plot like Worf and Crusher. All in all, Nemesis is a nice send-off for TNG crew, even if two of its beloved members were basically ignored.

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    So, they do this to Data...
    By PretendToDream () at 10:26:35 on December 16 2002
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    So, they do this to Data. How then would they be able to make other movies with the Next Gen cast if they wanted to go in that area? I agreed with what another poster said about Data being one of the most interesting and well written characters there was.
    I am not pleased with the outcome. You don't kill off the regulars. I have never liked this aspect of Trek and I never will. It seems to me it is a useless thing to do. What is the reasoning? They faced more evil with the Borg than these enemies. Only this was on a larger scale motion picture. Should that make a difference? They should have put the Borg in a motion picture. It just doesn't fit with the continuity of the regular series. It most certainly doesn't feel right either.

    My opinion as always...

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    Does anyone know?
    By timmer33 () at 11:48:50 on December 15 2002
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    Does anyone know if this film went through testing beforehand (with audiences)? Most films do, but I didn't hear if this one did or not. Perhaps some of the minor flaws could have been corrected. Also, I just want to reiterate the need for us to support this film (flaws and all). Please go see it again today (Sunday). It needs a big opening weekend. I would also like to suggest to everyone that if you see other movies this holiday, please purchase your ticket for NEMESIS then go see the other film.

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    A small step in the right direction
    By GreginWA ( at 03:42:07 on December 15 2002
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    I just saw the film and, after an exhaustive evening, I only have the energy to write my initial feelings on Star Trek Nemesis. While I feel that this picture is certainly the most theatrical of the 4 TNG pictures, I am overall disappointed in with the final outcome. The storyline involving the Remans was a nice (and needed) addition to the Trek saga, but the entire Shinzon storyline did absolutely nothing for me. I found the character to be nothing more than a whiny 12-year old wanting attention. I'm not dismissing Tom Hardy's acting skills, for I did see great promise in a few scenes. However, I will be so bold as to say that Stuart Baird's direction is about as pedestrian as it gets. The movie has too much action and not enough heart. The little things are missing and by the time our characters are in peril, I could careless because the director won't give me a reason to care about them. In the end, when Data dies, I felt NOTHING. The score was unremarkable and Shinzon's costume was absolutely one of the worst designs I've seen in Trek. Perhaps I will write a more detailed review on my site at a later time, but for now I think I've pretty much wrapped up my feelings about this movie with a simple phrase: "why should I care?" My vote: 3 out of 5 stars

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    I liked it
    By Cpt J T Kirk ( at 01:44:44 on December 15 2002
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    I approached the viewing of this film with a bit of dread. I saw the reviews of the premier and was dismayed at the negative attitude displayed to a film being touted as the film that will save Trek.
    I was very satisfied with the film. The pace was fast, but I paid attention. It was good to see the TNG crew together again.
    The theatre was bit sparse of people. Not even half full at the 4:45 PM Matinee.
    I hope to see Captain Riker assist his old commander, Picard in STXI.


    "No Aquaman, you cannot marry the queen of Atlantis, she has no gills!" BOOM!! "I've wasted my life.."
    -Simpsons Comic Store guy before being vaporized in Atomic Explosion.

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    In the vein...
    By Burke () at 16:47:49 on December 14 2002
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    Ok...I just saw it again.

    The opening was terrific, and had the "intrigue" of STVI when the Klingon moon Praxis exploded. The exclusion of credit sequence always denotes a desire to skip right into the action, but what's up with the Diablo font and the backwards "e"? Strange. But it got really uneven from there.


    The good points:

    - The inclusion of the Romulans in a major movie.

    - The cast seemed comfortable and more easy-going.

    - Riker actually got to fight instead of just standing around scowling at things.

    - Janeway's cameo...Trekkers always love the crossing over of characters in the same timeline, and since Voyager will never get its own feature film...

    - Picard's "Mr. Troi" line.

    - The allusions to the other movies, such as the "battle stations" montage and the "character to die in front of a dangerous radiation surge" throwback to "Khan."

    - The special effects -- especially the totally-CG ships and the collision between the Enterprise and the Scimitar -- were great. The ships looked INFINITELY better than they did in "Insurrection" and evoked less of a "hey, a computer did that!" response.


    The not-so-good:

    - The Romulans really had no role in their first cinematic appearance.

    - The intro was awesome but there was nothing showing the upheaval that would have occurred on Romulus, or Shinzon acquiring power.

    - The Remans were supposedly awesome warriors, but Riker and a bunch of red shirts dispatched them quite easily.

    - Some of the comic relief brought groans instead of laughs.

    - B-4...possibly the Jar-Jar Binks of the Star Trek franchise. Unless you've watched the TV series from the beginning and realize how "immature" Data was back then, you'll probably just laugh at his retarded little brother. It's too bad they made him SUCH a "prototype" so as to be a mere simpleton.

    - The Ouija-board locating of the cloaked Scimitar...goofier than the "manual joystick" Riker used in "Insurrection" to steer the Enterprise. Also, that LIGHTING on Troi's eyes during the whole looked weird and like the lighting guys were out to lunch that day!

    - The rushed transition from scene to scene, most notably in the beginning when they go from wedding reception > en route to Betazed > oops, change course > now we're at Romulus; however, the fight between Riker and the Viceroy was far too short (and unexplained unless you paid close attention to their faces), Dina Meyer's (the Romulan commander) scenes were cut too short, and of course the "farewell" (if you can call it that) for Data. I mean, Data is likely the third-most recognizable character in Trek history behind Kirk and Spock!


    The should-have-beens:

    - Shinzon and his bad-ass Warbird should've gotten to Earth and threatened it, which would've made for even more of a dramatic reason for Data to give his life.

    - Since Data and B-4 was supposed to be a parallel between Picard and Shinzon, I think the two androids should have worked together to save the Enterprise and both died in the process.

    - And of course, a more in-depth and tearful farewell to Data, and a more bittersweet ending along the lines of Picard staring out of the window after his stint as Locutus in "The Best of Both Worlds." A real, palpable sense of isolation and heartbreak just wasn't conveyed in my opinion.


    There is a lot more to say, really, but I'll wait to either see it again or get it on DVD.

    However, I'd be willing to bet that this is the last Trek movie, if not forever, then for a long while. There won't be any DS9 or Voyager movies for sure, but maybe a mixed cast one in a few years. The death of Data alone really is the final nail the TNG movies, unless they somehow "accelerate" B-4 into a more mature Data somehow.

    Overall, I thought it was enjoyable and emotional (I will admit I teared up when Picard was staring out of the hole in the bridge at the remnants of the Scimitar's explosion) but hardly the best Trek film, and by NO means the way to end the franchise if they intend to do so.

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    Startrek FAN thoughts
    By jacob_987 () at 15:17:02 on December 14 2002
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    Alright, I thought the new movie NEMESIS
    was ok at best. Hear me out.....

    I've wathced every single startrek episode there (except for TOS, I'm not that old), and I know a lot about startrek. Hell, I even have about 500 episodes on my computer. But NEMESIS, although set in the Startrek world, didn't truly feel like startrek.
    Here's why::::

    1.) The movie was way to dark. On every startrek episode they make, the scenary always has lots of lights. The darkness annoyed me a lot.

    2.) There was to much unexplained action. In most startrek's, everything is explained and carried out and is coherent, sometimes I felt things were just pasted together in this show.

    3.) Captain Picard was way out of character. Usually he is the silent, strong, I don't joke kinda character, now all of the sudden he is the comic relief (along with data) and just says things uncharacteristic.

    4.) Other things that were usually normal changed. For example, Romulan warbirds do not look how they did in the movie. I'm use to the ones from TNG,DS9,VOY the big green cloaked ships. Phaser and weapons looked different. They looked like something out of a sci-fi movie (as in, something just out of a normal sci-fi movie, startrek has its own arena). THey didn't look like the phasers that were use to seeing the startrek world.

    5.) Data dying. Ok, what the hell. He is the BEST CHARACTER in all of the startrek series, no one was better then him, he was the best, end of story. And they killed him, what the fuck. WHy would you do that? Why kill any character? Bleh, I didn't like that AT ALL.

    Now, NEMESIS was still a startrek, and the main things were intact so it still was descent. If you guys remember StarTrek:Generations, then watch NEMESIS, you'll see what I'm saying about the "little things" that startrek usually had.

    Cool things about NEMESIS was some jokes by DATA, the phasers on the Enterprise, (I didn't know they had that many phasers). Appearance of Admiral Janeway, (they should have had more appearances by other guests).

    In conclusion I guess what I'm saying is that the movie seemed to be more of an action/sci-fi movie then a Startrek. It was still cool I guess, better then INSURRECTION (haha).

    Things to think about:::::::

    1.) I don't think Captain Picard will ever be an Admiral, not after what Kirk told him in GENERATIONS to stay a captain....

    2.) Who will be 1st officer now, Worf or Geordi? Also, whats gonna happen to Deanni and Dr. Crusher, any thoughts?

    3.) Data, possibility of bringing him back ideas. One idea is that someone how B-4 evolves into a complex android like Data because he gave him his memory and shit, but that would be weak. The two ideas I had are that one, they use Lore (he was never destroyed), wipe his memory and reprogram him a little more like Data, then dump Data's memory and personality into him. Another way is that they could show that Geordi, Seven of Nine, and some of the best Federation scientists are trying to construct another Soong like android, they succeed, and dump data's memory and all into the new one they built, the latter two ideas I think could work.

    4.) Can there be another TNG movie? MAYBE, it would have to be the last one though....just because.....could they have a DS9 or a Voyager movie? Maybe.......not sure, the story would have to be strong for it to work.

    5.) If they do make another startrek movie, then they should have Q in it, that would be fun, it would be a lot more Startrek like with him there.

    Now, as for ENTERPRISE.....I'm not gonna say anything yet, because usually a Startrek series doesn't get good until the end of the 3rd season or beginning of third, or beginning or forth (in TNG, everyone was set in there place, as in, positions and rank by the 3rd season, then at the end, they had the BORG thing. in DS9, they got the Defiant, and Sisko was promoted to Captain, in Voyager Species 8472 was introduced and they got 7 of 9.) So, until then, I can't really say anything about ENTERPRISE..........

    I hope you guys found this useful, and if you have comments or just want to say i'm wrong, msg me on AIM at "Voodoo CPU" or e-mail me at

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    By PhaserBoy () at 14:12:59 on December 14 2002
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    OK, (i know i might be a little boring but) here are the first estimates.
    Frida 12.13. "Nemesis" opens in 2711 theaters with 7.569 mil gross and tops the box office. J Lo and "Maid" is second with 6.586 mil gross opening in 2838 theaters, 127 more than "Nemesis". Other 2 new realeses are on top 5 "Drumline" and "Hot chick". "Die"(today) is 5th showing in 3377 theaters with 2.250 mil gross.

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    By PhaserBoy () at 13:54:23 on December 14 2002
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    ...what do you think about the future of STAR TREK?

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    By Captain Winnie ( at 13:27:32 on December 14 2002
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    Well I saw Nemesis yesterday afternoon. (I hate going to the movie theater on a weekened evening...too busy, too crowded, too noisy).

    I felt the usual tingle down my spine when the fanfare played during the opening credits and was excited about the movie, when the movie was over though, I felt empty, I wanted to love this movie, but I couldn't figure out why I couldn't. There were great scenes, yes...but I couldn't figure out why I felt dissapointed. After sleeping on it, I think I'm figured out why.

    I am a huge James Bond fan, and enjoy all of the movies from the early 60s to today. When the Bond series began, it was a spy movie firstmost, and an action movie as an afterthought. Today, the oppositte is true. Die Another Day is an action movie. Period. The spying is just the backdrop for the action. Unfortunately, the action doesn't serve any real purpose and just 'happens' without any real exposition behind it. The same applies to Star Trek.

    The action was there, yes -- but I kept asking myself, "Why is this important, what does this mean to the story?" And I kept coming up blank. The chase on Kolarus III seemed to be plunked there. It had no rhyme or reason in the story. It seemed to be an afterthought after realizing that the first act would have dragged without it. The fight between the Viceroy and Riker is the same way. It just happened. There was a great opportunity for so much more in that scene, but it just 'happened'. The Romulan's arrival during the fight was quickly made a moot point. The Romulan woman (I can't remember her name) and her instructions from Hardy, was another plot point that didn't go anywhere. Finally, Data's death, it just happened without any real explanation as to why. It felt like Krik's death and the destruction of the Enterprise-D in Generations: they both had me ask myself, 'Why?'

    Even now I have difficulty putting my finger on exactly was off with the movie, but I can say that through the course of the movie, I just kept saying 'Why?'.

    I think one thing that also bothered me was that the deadliness of the Reman weapon wasn't depicted gravely enough. It was a bit of a jump to tie the Senate massacare with the weapon at the end of the movie. In addition, having the Enterprise targeted with the Reman weapon took away from the epicness of the movie. The target should have been much grander, a planet perhaps, even Earth.

    Ultimately, the faults of this movie are the same faults that I find with Enterprise and the latter half of Voyager's run: Missed opportuntities. Plot points are explained too easily. Picard's statement "I know how he thinks." was too easy of an explanation, and served to only move the story along quickly. Action for just the sake of action. Death just for the sake of death. Nothing in Nemesis seemed real -- it all seemed like a convoluted dream.

    I can see the 'Logan' part of the script, but unfortunately, I can also see the 'Berman' part of the script. If Paramount really wants to shake this franchise up they seriously need to consider a high level review. I want to love Enterprise and Nemesis. But I can't. They both seem empty, lacking the passion and thrill of past adventures. I think that Berman is a great 'idea man' but the follow through has been poor.

    The best points of the movie to me was the production itself. The film didn't feel or look like a Star Trek movie, which was very refreshing. The cinematography was excellent, the special effects were fabulous, and the score (unlike some who reviewed it earlier) is great in my opinion. The new sets were very nice, and the updating of the bridge was a good modification of current technology (flat screen monitors) and apply it to the 24th century. Even the interface of the bridge comptuers was enhanced, and the bridge in this movie was a real workplace as opposed to previous movies where the bridge was 'just a set'.

    I apologize for my rambling, but I think that is the point - Nemesis has the core of a great movie, but when I left the theatre, my mind was rambling because I wanted to know why I didn't love it. Perhaps a second viewing will bring things more into play; however, I'm worried that a second viewing will ultimately make me feel bored.

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    • RE: Why? by Steve Krutzler @ 13:35:16 EDT on 14 Dec
    By PhaserBoy () at 13:25:37 on December 14 2002
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    I LOVED NEMESIS. I loved it 8 months ago when i read script and i love it now. But FIRE RICK BERMAN AND GIVE A STAR TREK SAGA A BREAK AND THEN COMBACK IN STYLE!!

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    Small nitpicks
    By Clemente () at 12:51:43 on December 14 2002
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    First, let me state I thoroughly enjoyed Nemesis. I read Steve's review before and after I saw Nemesis and I feel Steve was dead on in his review (btw great review Steve).

    However, I have a few small nitpicks.

    1) The Argo seemed a little low tech. Why would it have no type of windshield/forcefield? I think that would have been better than those 'safety glasses' they used.

    2) What happened to the Enterprise's quantum torpedoes? Wouldn't you use your strongest weapons against the Scimitar?

    3) When the Scimitar was pulling away from the EE (after the collision) was it using some type of rocket thrusters?

    4) The phaser fights could be made to look more militaristic. They look too....fake. I mean, when Worf threw himself on the floor to cover Riker I couldn't help but looked really funny?

    Don't misunderstand me....I really enjoyed Nemesis and didn't let those things bother me. They were just little things I noticed.

    p.s.- I think some people might enjoy the movie more if they didn't spoil it for themselves. For example, someone below stated that they should've explained why Dr. Crusher was leaving for Star Fleet Medical. I don't remember the movie even hinting that Beverly was leaving for Star Fleet Medical (unless I missed it). The only way you would expect that is if you read the online script.

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    By Hunter () at 11:28:52 on December 14 2002
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    I arrived home last night after watching Nemesis, eager to check out the positive fan reviews I was expecting would be pouring in. What I got, however, was a bunch of responses that left me puzzled. A lot of fans liked it but didn't like this, that, or the other thing about it.
    I left the movie theater in a haze. I felt like I had just ridden an emotional roller coaster. For the first time I actually felt like the characters I have grown up with on tv and movies were actually vulnerable.
    First things first - Data's situation was a sad affair. Sure, there's B-4 there - but he's no more Data than another droid who looks like C3PO would be that beloved character. The machine we all spent 15 years with is gone. That left me feeling sad - almost enough to make me feel silly for feeling that way!
    Next, the Enterprise came close to death too. I always loved the ship. It was our transportation out of this reality into our escape of the Star Trek realm of fantasy. I felt a little uncomfortable with the fact that E-E was open to harm just like everything else. This, of course, was redeamed by the last scene of the film where "she" was in spacedock.
    Nemesis was fantastic, plain and simple. To agree with Steve, it felt big, it felt like a real movie. Everything looked top-notch (maybe even better than that). The new shooting style Baird brought was refreshing. Even the score deserves better praise than its getting (is it getting ANY??). They are all subtle things that added up to an equation of better quality in this movie than past ones.
    Nemesis showed us that in order to boldly go where no one has gone before, you might have to inject a heavy dose of reality into fantasy. In this case, reality was a loss of innocence for our crew and our favorite ship. This is, after all, the first Star Trek film written during/since ALL our worlds changed a year and a half ago. We all learned a little bit about loss and our Next Generation crew, it seems, now has gotten a little bit of that lesson as well.
    Piccard was smiling as he walked down the corridor of his ship. As crews rebuilt the ship around him, his smile indicates, at least for me, a twinkle that might mean more adventers to come. Let's all hope they do.

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    Nemesis and TNG movies
    By Paulo ( at 08:30:06 on December 14 2002
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    Here's a review, of sorts, that I just mailed to a friend who asked for my opinion of Nemesis:

    First off, I really enjoyed most of this movie! I think it's the most exciting, engaging, and entertaining of the Next-Generation Star Trek films. It manages to retain a sense of fun throughout the intensity and the angst, and the personal conflict between Picard and his evil clone Shinzon is interesting, although sometimes lacking in depth.

    And yet, even as I intellectually acknowledge its superiority to the other TNG-era outings, I still can't shake the feeling that it’s yet another squandered opportunity. And even though it was clearly written "of the fan-boy, for the fan-boy, and by the fan-boy" (John Logan is a self-proclaimed Trekkie), I think they're still missing the mark in some ways.

    Here's my theory: The producers believe that the quality of these flicks depends on them coming up with some random UBER-VILLIAN, someone who can believably challenge this gallant crew, the cream of the Starfleet crop. Well, in my humble opinion, they're completely missing the point. We (I speak for the fans, both hard-core and casual) simply want to catch up with our old friends. Oh, sure, we want to see them go on an adventure (that's who they are, after all -- adventurers and explorers), but we don't want to spend all our time being pummeled with the back story of some random bad-guy that we'll never see again. That's like having only 2 hours to visit with dear friends that you haven't seen in 4 years, and ending up being cornered by their chatty neighbor for half the time. It leaves you a little empty inside.

    Let's take the two most successful of the Trek movies so far -- The Wrath of Khan (II) and The Voyage Home (IV). TWOK featured an established villain from the TV series, so the conflict already existed and didn't have to be introduced and built up. And TVH didn't even have a conventional villain -- the crew simply had a mission to accomplish, with obstacles to overcome. Both films focused on the relationships and dynamics between the characters that we love, mining the richness of their history.

    While Nemesis does some of this in the first act, and to a lesser degree in the third act, the second act of the film is mired in explorations of the relationships between Picard and Shinzon and Data and his long-lost brother, B-4. Meanwhile, we barely see anything of Dr. Crusher, Worf, or Geordi, three members of the family that have gone undeveloped now for far too many years.

    Am I suggesting that it's time for a character-driven Star Trek movie, as opposed to a plot-driven one? Maybe, despite how crazy that may sound. Let me tell you, judging from my reactions and those of the audience members around me, the scenes that showed the crew bonding at the Riker/Troi nuptials were far more entertaining than the scenes building up the conflict between Picard and Shinzon. That goes a long way toward indicating what the true strengths of this franchise are.

    Well, that's it for now. I rate it a B, with a sad shake of the head. I'm happy to say that it's a good movie, but the continuing untapped potential of these films is just too disappointing to ignore.

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    Steve ...
    By timmer33 () at 01:08:11 on December 14 2002
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    Okay, I saw the film tonight and I have a few thoughts for you. Firstly, how is it that you give a movie a glowing review, but only award it 4 out of 5 stars? There must have been something negative about it ... something to make you subtract a star. So what was it? I'm curious. Secondly, the soundtrack was horrendous. During the film, my friend leaned over to me and said "It sounds like Deep Rising." Deep Rising, if you don't know, was a *terrible* b-grade film with an awful soundtrack by Goldsmith. I realized with dread that my friend was right. The score plain sucked. During the biggest battle sequence since STII, all I noticed was how boring the music was and how it dragged the whole film down. The battle was boring! It takes effort to make a battle boring, but somehow Goldsmith seemed to do it! The film seemed to drag, EVEN DURING THE ACTION! Weird how a score can do that, but this one indeed did it. It was the worst part of the film. Thirdly, Shinzon was hardly an effective villain. He was no "nemesis" to Picard, and did not seem to have any of the intelligence of Picard. It never seemed like a fair match. Fourth, the movie dragged at parts. The pacing was off. Fifth: the B-4 plot was something we'd see in a bad episode. There were some moments of excellence however: the dune buggy sequence, the first meeting with Shinzon, the ramming sequence, the space dock sequence (and the only bit of good score). Steve, I can't believe you gave Nemesis such a glowing and positive review. It was better than Insurrection by far, but didn't come close to First Contact. I hate to say it, because I really do love Trek, but it is the worst even-numbered trek yet. Someone recently accused you of being a "star trek apologist", and I have to agree. It's almost like Nememsis could do no wrong in your eyes. Your review didn't even mention a SINGLE negative thing! If there was nothing negative, why didn't it get 5 stars? Are you scared of offending Paramount by saying something negative about the franchise? I'm not trying to offend, but I went into the movie not knowing what to expect, and found some positive things and many negative things about it. Just my thoughts on the topic.

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    By DarthSpock () at 23:17:47 on December 13 2002
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    I saw the movie this afternoon, but missed Bryan Singer (the director of such movies as Apt. Pupil, the Usual suspects, X-men, X-men 2)
    Anyone have any idea what scene he was in? (just curious)


    "I am not sure what disappoints me more... your cowardice or your stupidity."

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    • RE: X2 by Osnard @ 23:45:08 EDT on 13 Dec
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    Not happy
    By compupc1 ( at 21:16:11 on December 13 2002
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    I just got back from seeing it, and overall I was both happy and dissapointed with the movie. Let's start with the bad.

    - The first act and third act were very entertaining. The second act, however, REALLY dragged. I think the biggest problem with the film is that the action was too clumped together. Having one more action sequence or maybe a horror/suspense sequence in the second act could have better balanced the script.

    - The same applies to the music. The music in the first and third acts was very well done and appropriate, but again, in the second act it was totally drab.

    - I enjoyed many of the jokes, but there were some times during the more serious moments that they seemed out of place. Some humor is good, but when there's a crisis, it needs to be more limited.

    - The whole data sequence was touching but his death just wasn't as good as Spock's death. For one, I don't know why Data didn't just place a bunch of bombs around the energy stream. Secondly, there was no funeral. The Spock funeral was more emotionally charged than the actual death. Lastly, they were too blatant in showing that Data isn't REALLY dead. By the simple fact that B4 started singing, we know obviously that he will eventually remember what Data did.

    - The trailers spoiled WAY too much. Shame on Paramount promotion editors.

    With that being said, a couple positives:
    - The space battle rivaled that of a Star Wars battle. Very nicely done. I can't help but wonder what Khan would have been like if it had the budget and technology available as Nemesis.

    - I liked the Mine sequence. I wish it had been longer and had truly shown the suffering.

    - The Wedding scene was nice too. It was good seeing the crew relax. I wish they would have left more of this scene in too.

    - It was great seeing Picard enjoy the Argo chase. However, I wish they had explained more about why the people there were so pissed.

    - Verbatim with the goodbye Riker scene.

    - I liked the fact that the opening titles also were a mirror. Very clever.

    So basically, I liked the two outer acts, but think there were some scenes that should be been longer/restored. Some of the stuff in the middle of the movie should have been trimmed down. I like the mirror theme and all, but it was carried on for too long.

    Overall, I rate it a C+/B-.

    So here's my new ranking:
    1. First Contact
    2. The Wrath of Khan
    3. The Voyage Home
    4. Nemesis
    5. The Motion Picture
    6. Generations
    7. The Undiscovered Country
    8. The Search for Spock.
    9. The Voyage Home
    10. Insurrection



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    Anyone else catch the subtle reference to Enterprise?
    By Web Antillies () at 21:13:12 on December 13 2002
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    As the movie progressed, I kept looking for references to other trek series. Besides Janeway and the "Kirk Epsilon" maneuver, there was also a subtle reference to Enterprise. In the stellar cartography scene when Picard requests to see the location of the fleet. The fleet is displayed along with the names of the ships. The ship on the bottom of the list was the USS Archer. I like that minor historical reference.

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    Back from seeing Nemesis
    By The Emissary ( at 19:39:08 on December 13 2002
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    It was good movie worthy of being shown, however did any one besides me think that the first half was pretty slow and needed some music to really keep the mommentum going. The other half was excellent the action sequences were awesome in the chase and the final 1/3 of the movie.

    This movie will probably have the hardest time to being a crossover success with the casual fans, especially thoses who have no clue of riker,troi,picard, or even data. I think for the emotional impact they were going for you had to know the characters.

    Overall a good movie, obvious written for the fans not the casual audience.

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    A Day for Trek
    By hfudge ( at 17:39:33 on December 13 2002
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    (spolier free)

    How do you even write a review for a movie that given any valid criticism or praise is only one more story in a universe so prevalent and personal it can rival our own its reality and scope. I’ve followed Trek through the reruns of Kirk into the Next Generation and watched as those stationed on the outer reaches of Deep Space struggled with their own identity in a world of universes. If that makes me a Trekkie, so be it, I can’t say I am ashamed to see more in Trek then the stories we are given.

    As the follower of Trek that I have just described, I am a Trekkie with a bit of a smile today. I haven’t seen the (unobtainable) definitive incarnation of Star Trek, but I have seen a story and experienced an adventure worthy of the title. Nemesis has returned my Generation’s Star Trek with confidence and pride.

    I’m not going to be going deep into the details and plotlines. There are a thousand reviews already pouring out, some are well written, the critical included, most doing what is so easy, misunderstanding what they never began to understand. Star Trek in any form is not typical and incomparable to anything but itself, which might explain why the task is to impress its rabid fans who can not temper their rooted desire to imagine their own Star Trek perfection.

    From the uncharacteristically short and understated title sequence I felt at home, this was the Next Generation as its most confident, comfortable and familiar. Throughout the reception sequence familiar faces are reintroduced with ease, the humour and familiarity of old friends together again oblivious to the passage of time.

    It’s worth noting that here is the largest and most obvious missing portion of this story. The so called “missing scene” between Picard and Data following the ceremony as they reflect on their time together and the coming change of the future. Throughout the movie the memory of what that scene alone might have added to the legacy of this story hangs like an unforgotten memory.

    From there the story begins to ramp up quickly into what was promised and is the most action intense Trek, ever. While the unhinged and intense battles that follow reach just short of the Wrath of Kahn they are memorable, spectacular and second to the reckless abandon at which Tom Hardy portrays the tragically flawed Shinzon. I’ve never been one to laud Star Trek II and Kahn as the greatest movie/villain combination and today might have been the beginning of a shift in thought for many other fans. In either case Shinzon will be remembered as the first villain to strain Picard and his crew beyond the collective dreams of the Borg. The Remens are creepy and scary with eyes deeper then the makeup, quite the achievement and departure from the standard forehead of the week ridges.

    The well know and warily eyeballed “jeep” scene is well executed, taking notes from Spike Jones’s work in The Three Kings it drips with style back dropping a Picards palatable expressions of fun.

    In a movie pivoting around separate and intertwined doppelgangers much of the regular crew is left with little to say or do, it is too bad really but the reality is that this was not a ensemble story, this was the story of Picard, Shinzon, Data and B4. The rest of the crew do their jobs and try to hang on as the threat explodes around them. There are lines that could make you cringe a little, not for their ridiculous nature so much as their unnecessary inclusion. Stating the obvious as it were, I guess they had to give Leforge, the biggest victim of this, something to say. It is too easy to say that Worf, Dr. Crusher and the ilk fall into a stereo-type of themselves when they are in the backlight of the story. That said the unnamed but subtly familiar helmsmen who gets sucked out the view screen (you’ll see) is like an old friend and a sad causality in his ambiguity.

    Towards the end of the third act the editing seems to confuse minor parts of the action, Riker, who was never of much use anyway, seems to get himself lost in the bowels of the ship chasing the enemy’s second in command, who also does not seem to be sure of what he is doing.

    In the end I could write for pages on why I liked the movie, why I saw a few flaws and why I am ultimately satisfied and happy with the result of Nemesis. It is out of reach of all the Next Generation movies save for First Contact and for me sits comfortably a step behind The Undiscovered Country and The Motion Picture (Directors Cut) with The Wrath of Kahn, its obvious mentor—in that order.

    If the adventure will cross over well with the general public is a bit of a question but any one who has the slightest interest and understanding of Trek should not walk away unhappy. It is confident in its telling, grand in its scope of character and but for a slight cgi flaw here and there, simply astonishingly astounding in its visuals. It will be a success for Trek, I am confident of that, if it is not I really don’t understand what it means to enjoy Trek. Though I know I do.

    A universe within our own whose philosophy and ideas are those that we could only imagine to aspire too as our future races towards us. Star Trek is not a universe of perfect stories and flawless execution, like our own universe it is flawed and imperfect. It is the desire to be better that ourselves that underlies Nemesis and like all of Trek lore, it is founded in our own reality.

    For me, the streak continues. I’m satisfied with that.



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    By Dukat () at 17:32:25 on December 13 2002
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    I thought Nemesis was great. It was better than I expected after having read some of the more negative and ho-hum reviews. I do not think it will reach the non-fans (at least the non-fans over 25). I did not think that Logan's nods to the previous movies were too much though. A thread needs to start of what they all were. Clearly some of the plot elements were directly 2, and then the "absent friends" toast was ST3. I did not see others, but I am guessing there are lots more.

    I thought Shinzon was great, much better than the cheesy idea I thought it was, and while it was hard to see both characters being Picard, the only time that ever bothered me was when Picard struggled with his identity a bit, since it was obvious that other than DNA they were vastly different.

    A few things bothered me, when they gather up B4 then get assigned to go to Romulus, Geordi and Data are pumping info into B4 with no thought at all it seems, Data did not even understand all of B4's circuitry (as evidenced by his question of Geordi "What does this do?") There should have been a cursory discussion of Lore, maybe something like questioning whether B4 could be evil like Lore was or not. I would just guess that if Lore's ethical subroutines were missing or broken, the ethical code in B4 is screwed up too.

    The criticism that this could have just been an episode or even a two-part episode are completely off. Clearly this (as opposed to Insurrection, or even First Contact) was much bigger than an episode could be. I do think that a longer version of the film would have suffered a bit, perhaps the film could have moved a bit quicker than it did.

    I do look forward to whatever follows this movie, I forgot how much I liked this group of folks-- I hope the next movie does not take 4 years, but I am really kind of hoping now that the rumor a few weeks back that a new Riker/Titan based Series 6 may start in the next couple years is true. This, while it had a few goodbyes, certainly ended with a note that more was to come, even more than All Good Things... did.

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    Review geared to Fans
    By Tom () at 16:04:22 on December 13 2002
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    While the press reviewed Nemesis as just another movie, for the most part, this one discusses things which most fans will want to know. This is a big plus for the review

    However reviewing deleted scenes is a bit problematic. None of us are privvy to these scenes (except through reading some articles or seeing an interview) and we may not be even on a DVD release. So saying that they would add something to the film or are needed is just conjecture, at this point. Their inclusion may actually hurt the flow of the film, which is a legitmate reason for trimming them (rather than just time).


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    this review
    By cooper2000 () at 12:41:28 on December 13 2002
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    is good and makes me look forward to it but it is ashame that they have to cut out character moments so they will attract more non viewers. I think the Voyage Home was a fluke in the way it attracted more people.
    Time to start making the movies (if there are anymore) for the Trek fans and not the causal viewers.
    Not cutting (including Wesley,Beverly and Worf) may have made for a more Rich film.
    Hopefully we'll get a directors cut.

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    How can it be so skewed?
    By tazym () at 11:34:21 on December 13 2002
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    I am reading some the reviews in national publications and getting the
    TREK fan"likes it", NONFAN "hates" it

    I think we are getting to a point in this franchise where if your a fan --
    great. If not -- don't bother. I mean the franchise has attracted the part of the population its going to attract. Not much is going to change, or bring in new fans. It's such a complicated evolving universe right now it almost seems to repel teh average non trek fan

    Having said that -- it doesn't mean it can't. But I think things hve to change. Drastically. A new point of view (crew), a nontypical storyline (a new type of villian), but more importantly a different type of outcome.
    Not where everything fits together like the last five seconds of a Voyager episode -- now something diferent. Maybe an ANTI HERO? a non "con formist"
    in terms of the "FEderation" like policy these characters all adhere too.

    They have defined an entire universe, but they stay focused on one small part of that universe. -- I think it's time to explore "strange new worlds" again.

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    By Rainbow Warrior 24 () at 11:28:46 on December 13 2002
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    I have to hand it to you, Steve. Quite ingenious.

    While many non-fans diss the film, they probably just don't understand.

    You do, and it shows. Your analysis does alude to plot points, but doesn't give it away, and is poignant, thought provoking, and honest as well. It praises and criticizes, and does so objectively...

    (Also, it just occurred to me: maybe Logan wrote Nemesis along the same lines as Cameron Crowe wrote Almost Famous, as a love letter to us Trek fans. It's as is it's a "this is for you" message...)

    Damn, you made my day, Steve...good job.


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    Well done!
    By BWilliams ( at 09:49:09 on December 13 2002
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    Excellent review, Steve! Very insightful and thoughtful, very detailed. Some things going into the film have me concerned, though:

    1. John Logan's reputation as a great writer goes without saying - I loved "Gladiator", a very intense, passionate epic. His allusions to the Romulans as the Romans harkens back to Gene Roddenberry's original take on the Romulan Empire in the original series, and it's good to see that allusion again in the wake of "Gladiator". The only thing missing is Russell Crowe and the Hans Zimmer music - lol :) Still, I wonder if he's going to bear the brunt of a lot of heat from hardcore Star Trek fans a la Jack Sowards, and Ron Moore and Brannon Braga, respectively (no spoilers here, but those who have read the script online know just what I'm alluding to here).

    2. Having a new writer like John Logan and a new director like Stuart Baird, neither of whom have previously stepped into Star Trek territory, brings a feeling of freshness that hasn't been seen since Nicholas Meyer helmed and Jack Sowards scripted "Wrath of Khan" 20 years ago. Change can be good to a degree, and having Baird and Logan on board just might pump the blood back into Star Trek that has been lacking recently with "Voyager", "Enterprise", and the previous film "Insurrection".

    3. I think part of all these negative comments from critics has to do with one common factor: they're not steeped into the Star Trek mythos yet able to step back and look at a film in the series objectively as a film first, a Star Trek film second. Some reviews have it as dark, depressing, a downer. Steve's review is thorough and objective because I read it as someone who was able to see the film, step back and look at it objectively. Star Trek is one of those things I enjoy, too, like Star Wars, Superman, or a good book. But sooner or later I have to put the book down and focus on the main things in life. But eventually I come back to the book and pick it up again and find myself enjoying it once again. Having one foot in reality is important in enjoying any film, including a Star Trek film. Steve's review manages to capture the specific details that make (or sometimes break) a film. We have a solid villain in Shinzon, character exploration in the Remans, action pieces, serious character drama, visual effects, the works. Star Trek is not about selling X number of toys and CGI effects, it's about human drama at its core. So will it hold up on its own beyond the Star Trek audience? Only time and box office receipts will tell.

    4. It is sad that the film lost a full third of its footage in the editing stages. Having documentation of this footage through script pages, photos, interviews, etc. serves as proof that the lost third of the film exists. Reading Stuart Baird's comments that he hopes to restore some of the footage for an extended version on DVD gives hope that we'll get to see the broader tapestry of "Nemesis" without all of the restraints of the theatrical experience. Part of cutting the film down to 117 minutes is understandable: as an action film, we as moviegoers can only sit still for so long. Two hours is the average. Comedies and animation: around 90 minutes. Once the 2-hour mark is pushed, then we start becoming antsy. 2:10, 2:20, even 2:30 we can handle, but only for so long. A true epic like "Gone With the Wind", "The Ten Commandments", or "Titanic" - its respective lengths are understandable because of the character analyses in the films and the drama that unfolds. A Star Trek film that pushes the 2-hour envelope we'd all love to see, even as a 3-hour film, as long as it engages the audience constantly. We may not get to see a 3-hour "Nemesis" extended cut on DVD (although that's what I'm hoping for like many others), but even with a third of the lost footage restored, particularly the most important scenes, we'll have a solid film on DVD. That's why certain scenes work in film and certain scenes don't work. Still, it's good for comparison purposes. I hope that when the big ultimate "Nemesis" DVD comes around, they'll present everything in a detailed format for us to absorb, analyze, and debate, whether the extra footage is in the context of the film or not.

    Having said these things, I'm ready to see "Star Trek: Nemesis" Sunday night! (I was going to see it tonight, but I'm having a friend come to town this weekend, so the film can wait.)

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    Probably see it tonight
    By John ( at 07:26:41 on December 13 2002
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    I'll probably go to the first showing tonight. One thing that I'm concerned about is that when it comes to certain points, I'll be thinking about the missing scenes, like the wedding scene I'll be thinking about what a shame they invite Wil Wheaton back and leave him on the cutting room floor, and the Picard/Data scene after the wedding. I still recall how pissed off I was sitting down to watch Generations and after hearing and seeing pics of the scene, Kirk's orbital parachute jump was nowhere to be found. If the DVD of this film (as well as Genearations for that matter) doesn't have most, if all, the deleted scenes it will be a travesty.

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    I am relieved
    By Alawi () at 03:32:02 on December 13 2002
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    Your review almost brought tears to my eyes, Steve.

    It was beautiful and reassuring.

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    Tickets have been bought baby!
    By pnf () at 23:03:52 on December 12 2002
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    Well, I bought my tickets earlier today and am ready to rock with the first showing on Friday!

    Oh yeah!!!

    Great review Steve! I have nothing but good thoughts going in to see this movie.

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    Trek II, VI and X
    By Frank () at 22:20:23 on December 12 2002
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    I was tinkering with my own little Top 10 list of the movies only yesterday, and ended up with TWOK and TUC at the top, as well (but I refuse to split them). I pre-emptively slipped NEM in beside them. Now I feel a bit more confident about it; thanks Steve!

    34 Days to go. ARRGGHH... Where's a temporal anomaly when you need one.

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    By Beckett ( at 22:15:09 on December 12 2002
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    That was a truly excellent and throughtfull review. It covered everything and remained largely spoiler free! I can't wait to watch it now! :) Hopefully having not read the script in any form I wont notice the quiter moments missing too much - I still think thats going to be a mistake of this film, as you yourself point out. Cheers.


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    Sounds good,
    By Osnard () at 21:56:03 on December 12 2002
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    and hopefully the good reviews in the New York, Chicago and LA papers will be enough to get casual viewers in the theatre. After reading your review and others, it seems essential that much of the deleted footage make it back into the film on DVD. Let's hope Paramount Home Video puts its foot down and listens to the fans.

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    Thanks for the great review Steve...
    By Matt Rojanakiathavor () at 21:50:55 on December 12 2002
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    it did a great job of restoring my faith in the film.



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    thank god
    By Bucky () at 21:50:53 on December 12 2002
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    I wanna see this movie. dammit. I might have to wait till sat, though :( dammit.



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