Jan 05 | Palm Digital Media reports that the STAR TREK NEMESIS novelization was the #3 selling e-book in December 2002.

Jan 05 | Wigglefish has reviewed DS9: Rising Son and The Brave and the Bold, both 4/5 stars.

Jan 05 | The L.A. Times analyzes William Shatner's acting career.

Jan 04 | TREK novelist Peter David sounds off on the state of the franchise at his web site.

Jan 03 | Australia's TV1 will air a MAKING OF STAR TREK NEMESIS special on January 11th during its SCI-FI SECTOR @ 8p. (Thanks to 'Joe' for this)

Jan 03 | Cinescape has reviewed Pocket Books' THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD, giving it an A- in its full review.

Jan 02 | FilkJerk and BattlestarGalactica.com have ripped into Ronald D. Moore's BATTLESTAR GALACTICA script. (Thanks to 'Beth' for the tip)

Jan 01 | Dean Valentine, former UPN exec, has purchased a 49.9% stake in the Jim Henson Company with his investment group, according to Reuters.

TREKWEB TALKBACK (142 comments)

Sort Controls: Newest Posts First Oldest Posts First Threaded Posts Nested Posts Flat Posts No Comments Start New Thread | Help! Berman & Paramount's bad timing By Batman2020 (BatmanNcharge@hotmail.com) at 17:08:22 on December 29 2002 URL: | User Info All I can say is what were they thinking! First they should have realised that releasing the film just days before Lord of the Rings was a bad idea! Come on people, we're talking about the Two Towers here. The fact that Maid in America or what ever it's called did better is our fault as the fans. Nemesis really was a good film better than some of the other TNG films. It had the feeling that it had as a show and a family, plus the Enterprise finnaly did more than get shot in the tail and crash on a planet!! I loved the new War Birds as well. You have to see it for what it is, like a runner jumping hurtles if you hit the first one before you even got your speed up you have already lost if the other runner is already faster and better. --- Help save Witchblade, one the only other shows based on a comic book that had top quality acting and writing cut down with a 2.0 rating and no good reason why. Sign the petition 10,000 and counting http://www.petitiononline.com/Legion11/petition.html [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Trek rates on the Coldest things in Hollywood list By cooper2000 () at 03:17:14 on December 29 2002 URL: | User Info From Filmthreat.com 28. RICK BERMAN AND THE STAR TREK MOVIE FRANCHISE We can't wait for the new chapter in the Trek saga! This one is going to be sooooooooo coooooooool! Major characters die, there is a clone war and it's going to be awesome! Kidding! Are any fans even bothering to wait in line for that new movie "Star Trek: Nemesis"? Anyone? Didn't think so. Looks like the Star Trek movie franchise is now officially dead. Perhaps Rick Berman might consider retiring and putting the Trek franchise into more capable and imaginative hands. Like anyone else's hands. Please! [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] U know... By steveleenow (steveleenow@yahoo.com) at 22:22:57 on December 28 2002 URL: http://www.steveleenow.com/ | User Info i was browsing box office mojo, and Generations and First Contact were both released mid-November, and they raked in the highest amounts of money for TNG films. Insurrection, and now Nemesis were released about the second week of December and both raked in the lower numbers. Seems the November launches gave the films more wind to do well over the holiday season. link [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Typical! By CaptainChris () at 16:01:11 on December 28 2002 URL: | User Info Why am I not surprised?! So Nemesis hasnt done as well as expected at the US Box Office so the typical American reaction is...it's all over!!...It's a big world out there people and a huge audience! Nemesis is getting alot of publicity over here (the UK), I went to see LOTR2 yesterday and there is a Nemesis transfer on every single door you walk through! They are having Trek movie marathons leading up to it's release and 'The Making of Nemesis' is currently showing on Sky so the hype is there, in the Magazines too! They're definitely pushing for a UK and Europe #1 and I think they'll get it, the movie looks awesome and Im pretty confident Paramount will get a return, lets just wait and see the end of the world wide releases before we start putting the nails in the coffin eh? The release over here is January 3rd, after all the major movies have been released, ie LOTR, HP etc etc. Watch this space! [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] WRONG! by Spockjaw @ 18:21:59 EDT on 29 Dec RE: Typical! by DarthSpock @ 16:35:07 EDT on 28 Dec RE: Typical! by motala @ 13:25:41 EDT on 29 Dec WHAT THE...? by Spockjaw @ 16:14:11 EDT on 3 Jan Seriously? by DarthSpock @ 14:55:03 EDT on 29 Dec RE: Seriously? by motala @ 12:22:22 EDT on 1 Jan RE: Typical! by Sim @ 10:26:43 EDT on 29 Dec RE: Typical! by DarthSpock @ 12:18:16 EDT on 29 Dec Questions By Brendan () at 20:00:36 on December 27 2002 URL: | User Info Now that Nemesis is REALLY a dud ($30 million in three weekends), I just have a few questions: 1. Why were Braga/Moore jettisioned after writing such a successful movie in Star Trek First Contact? Wouldn't it have made sense for them to write a sequel to that instead of touchy/feely Michael Piller? 2. Why after First Contact did so well with a November release did the marketing people at Paramount choose to release the next two in early Dec? Especially Nemesis after Insurrection did poorly being released on Dec. 11? [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Questions by Trekforever @ 13:16:18 EDT on 28 Dec Answers by bradley93 @ 10:46:04 EDT on 28 Dec RE: Answers by cooper2000 @ 14:55:59 EDT on 28 Dec Well the larger media outlets are now mocking Star Trek. By Web Antillies () at 14:07:46 on December 27 2002 URL: | User Info I was surfing through Foxnews.com and stumbled upon this: Star Trek Movie Collapses at Box Office Whether they like it or not, the Star Trek gang probably won't be returning to the big screen anytime soon. At least, not Patrick Stewart, Brent Spiner and their pals from the Next Generation TV series. Star Trek: Nemesis, the 203rd installment of the movie series, is now officially dead at the box office. Through Tuesday it took in only $27 million, and it's about to exit the Top 10 as new, better movies are being released. Having only read the dreadful reviews of Nemesis I can't say I'm surprised. But Paramount Pictures' 35-year investment in the Star Trek franchise sort of behooves it, one would think, to revitalize this project and fast. Next up, logically, would be some combination of casts from Deep Space Nine and Voyager, the two series that followed Star Trek: Next Generation. If Paramount doesn't want to do it, maybe William Shatner can bid it out on Priceline.com. Taken from Foxnews.com -- I hope that the author of the article made a typo, but somehow I think the fact that he said that Nemesis is the 203rd Trek film just proves that the general audience feels that there has been too much Trek. A shame that I really don't care. Gene's vision of Star Trek died when he died during Next Generation’s 5th season. I really do not see how the franchise can recover from this. This film had no sense of conclusion like Star Trek VI did. There was no parting shot of the whole crew, or a picture of the Enterprise flying away. Sorry but trek will soon be dead. And it is probably a good thing. Sure there are always gonna be the rabid fans who will watch anything related to Trek but fans like those (and I am one of them) cannot save the franchise on their own. Let's face it people our generation no longer holds any interest in Trek. Perhaps with well placed reruns in syndication the next generation will discover Trek. But as far as Paramount is concerned, they likely do not see Star Trek as a viable franchise. So it will likely end after Enterprise. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Agreed By Modulok () at 09:19:34 on December 27 2002 URL: | User Info I completely agree with what previous posters said about Nemesis. It was a good movie sunk by Paramount's horrible scheduling decision and slanted reviews from bitter critics. I quote from my local newspaper the South Florida Sun-Sentinel: "A powerful new leader cloned from the DNA of Captain Jean-Luc Picard has seized control of wartorn planet Romulus and confounded the Federation by extending an olive branch. To the starship Enterprise falls the task of asssessing his sincerity in giving peace a chance. Patrick Stewart could have probably brought dignity to Gomer Pyle, but even he can't oversome the pseudo-scientific gibberish, thrift-shop costumes, Silly Putty prosthetics, and Kmart blue-light-special effects." What!!!!???? It's been a long time since I've seen a review so insulting and practically dripping with ill will and derision. The reviewer obviously dislikes Star Trek and is letting his views cloud his objectivity. With reviews like this, is it any wonder why the movie failed to attract a mainstream audience???????? [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Agreed by cooper2000 @ 15:02:36 EDT on 28 Dec The Media is Over-hyping it.. By J.S. Barr () at 23:29:13 on December 26 2002 URL: | User Info In my simple opinion, the media seems to be jumping to conclusions. You don't see them giving much publicity to this film. There are films out there that were good storyline-wise, but bombed because of publicity. (I take the last Timothy Dalton James Bond film, "Licence to Kill" as an example. The film was good, but it bombed because of weak publicity. The media needs to stop over-hyping crappy movies like "Maid in Manhattan", and start refocusing on high quality movies. The decision to label Nemesis a bomb after only two weeks is shameful and foolish. Then again, Rick Berman, the imitation Roddenberry, may be what's holding the franchise back. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: The Media is Over-hyping it.. by vjmurphy @ 10:39:21 EDT on 27 Dec RE: The Media is Over-hyping it.. by Alawi @ 05:26:27 EDT on 27 Dec RE: The Media is Over-hyping it.. by Kneale @ 14:08:27 EDT on 28 Dec Not dead, just sleeping. By WolfDaddy () at 16:19:47 on December 26 2002 URL: | User Info I've been a proponent since the 2nd Season of VOY that Trek needs...and needs badly...another long break. The Trek market is now supersaturated and creative talents are diluted amongst many different, uh, enterprises. We've got ENT, DVD's for DS9 and VOY coming, attractions, toys, ornaments, conventions ... all of these things are the fires that fuel the billion dollar Trek business, but that's ALL Trek is anymore ... a business. The post-DS9 galaxy deserves exploration. DS9 wrought more change upon the Trek universe than any before or (so far) since--howzabout we have a saga that depicts the struggles and glory of galactic unification, from there to *extra*galactic exploration?? There's still those pesky creatures from the Andromeda galaxy to deal with ;-) I think that the disappointing box office for NEM indicates we all need a rest, both as creators and fans. Let's re-visit what's been happening in the Trek universe in 10 years from now. By then current events will give screen writers lots of new ideas to play with, making for both good and relevant storytelling, and the fans will, after a long break, be slobbering for more. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Bad BO By punkpirate () at 10:15:49 on December 26 2002 URL: | User Info Hello from Austria (Europe)! Im very sad to hear that Nemesis was such a big "Flop" in the U.S. It it will do better in the international market since there is really a large fanbase outthere but still the future of our beloved franchise never looked so dark. Why Star Trek is doomed depends on lots of reasons. 1) Release Date - I donīt have to get down on this do I? I have no idea what the hell Paramount was thinking...the could have easy moved it to a better date because nothing could be more competion than LOTR or HP? They just wrecked Nemesis without thinking... 2) The New Enterprise Show. They donīt transmit it on TV yet here but I managed to have a look at it, and I must say itīs allright. No more no less. Ok, itīs Star Trek, itīs something to look at....but they should have given it sometime before puting that on screen. I mean one or two years without a Trek, we all could have all handeled that, knowing that there was something completely diffrent coming up. Just another rushed Enterprise Series...a prequel ??? Come on !!!! Put something dark out something opposite the Federation and take a new shot at it!!!! 3) DVDs (!) When you can buy all the Movies all the Series for your Homecinema, where you can get the best Trek moments and all the geek infos whenvever you want it .... hey who needs then to go to the movies???? Paramount think about it!!!!!!! 4) Internet - All the Infos all the Spoilers, Iīmean, it was even clear from the Trailer the "tragic end" of one crewmate. Gosh what ever happend to the good secret Production like it happened to the first Movie where neither the Press had one clue. Yeah thats my oppinion, hope ST will survive in one way or another and by the way. Some Seasons of TNG were just incredible but DS9 Ladies and Gentlemen (besides the first and second season) IT JUST RULED !!!!!!! Time changed, the 2000s is not made for the Visons of the Big Bird of the Galaxy! [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Start in other countries By Sim (sebian@simpathy.de) at 00:04:56 on December 25 2002 URL: | User Info Hey, merry christmas everybody! :) I can't wait to watch the movie - but they changed the release date here in Germany from January 2nd to January 16th (maybe because they don't want to have it collide with LOTR2 ?), so I still have to wait. I hope the later release date in several European countries will help NEMESIS. There are a lot of people here in Europe who will watch the movie - Germany alone has 80 million inhabitants, and all of the TNG movies did pretty well over here, asfaik. So the market is not too little. Maybe this will save Nemesis. :) [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Start in other countries by Kneale @ 18:07:07 EDT on 25 Dec RE: Start in other countries by Kneale @ 18:36:25 EDT on 25 Dec RE: Start in other countries by Aussie @ 00:29:29 EDT on 25 Dec RE: Even the durable Star Trek cannot take abuse. by Aussie @ 19:27:53 EDT on 25 Dec Spoiler Above!!!! by Flake @ 15:46:10 EDT on 25 Dec No chance to spoiler me ;) by Sim @ 00:35:02 EDT on 25 Dec All Good Things... By viking5150 (viking5150@hotmail.com) at 23:45:41 on December 24 2002 URL: | User Info I must join a previous poster in the "great loss" point of view. Now that the TNG cast is most likely done for good, I feel a huge sense of loss as well. So I guess it's finally true: all good things must end.... Here is my personal public thanks to everyone every involved with TNG. A great show and a great run. It was the best television of the last 15 years! [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] I will miss the story By RAGE (Flyamt1@hotmail.com) at 19:30:20 on December 24 2002 URL: | User Info Unlike most let me start out saying I left the theater emotionally spent! It is hard to believe it is most likely over but the franchise recovery will take longer than the crew of TNG has to wait for the stink of these returns to ware off. On a personal note I liked the movie. My only regret is that Data is gone because I wanted to watch his quest to become human. That was a main story line of the series and now it is over. But like any GOOD MOVIE it left me pondering the plot for several days. My conclusion is Data, the android, learned self-sacrifice. He did not protect himself but gave his life for the rest of the crew, and more importantly he fulfilled his duty to his captain. (Very human Data, Very human) After I saw the movie and looked at the fan reviews I thought I saw a different film so I went again. Then I realized that Star Trek just needs to shed this generation of fans! Though loyal we are no longer here for the story being told, but we are here to see what WE want. When our conception of the story is not told, we log on the Internet and trash the movie writers, directors, and actors. Well thanks in part to our own negative press this series and the story we followed for many years is over. If you want a fan controlled story line become a Star Wars fan. Just a personal note: I remember watching the first Next Generation while in high school and the last one during my time in the military and I felt a since of loss when it was over. I feel that way again. Their friendships mixed with duty and respect for command are very close to my day to day life. I will miss looking forward to seeing them again. Star Trek will have to wait, as it did after TOS for -Another Generation-. --- *RAGE* SST [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] You will miss the story by Spockjaw @ 13:48:14 EDT on 25 Dec What's in a name? Very minor spoiler below! By bradley93 () at 18:11:10 on December 24 2002 URL: | User Info You know, perhaps it's just me, or maybe some or all of my fellow Trekkies have noticed this, but what's with the dumb names for these recent Star Trek films? We get Generations(a mediocre film at best), Insurrection(a glorified TV episode, no real epic feature film quality here) and now we have Nemesis. First Contact wasn't a bad movie by any means(really liked it actually) but I didn't care for that title either. Back in the days of the Original Series films, we get fantastic titles like "The Wrath of Khan" which really puts a sense of excitement, a sense of cinematic joy, into my mind. I can actually tell people "I'm going to see The Wrath of Khan!" Can you really say the same thing for this new film? "I'm going to see Star Trek NEMESIS!" Wow. Just doesn't have the same feeling of anticipation. Also, notice how the three films that have single word titles(the ones mentioned above) never really got much praise? Sure,there are those who liked them, but they just didn't have that quality feel to them. Anyone else feel the same? Nemesis could have been a much better movie....they could start by changing the title. I'm really sad that it has performed so badly at the box office. But I blame the producers(Berman mostly) and the poor writing(John Logan! That dude who only HELPED write Gladiator! Let's get him in here! Yay!) for this mediocre quality. I feel with the fellow who said it might as well be called Star Trek:Villain. LMAO. Let me guess...IF they do another movie, and it brings Data back or re-introduces him through B-4, will they call it Star Trek: Resurrection? Whoop dee doo! Bradley [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: What's in a name? Very minor spoiler below! by steveleenow @ 22:22:10 EDT on 24 Dec RE: What's in a name? Very minor spoiler below! by bradley93 @ 00:09:16 EDT on 25 Dec RE: What's in a name? Very minor spoiler below! by steveleenow @ 03:07:24 EDT on 25 Dec Blame to Logan By cherno72 () at 09:42:46 on December 24 2002 URL: | User Info A lot of the blame has to go to the writer. The only entertaining thing about Nemesis was reading about how Logan was able to live his dream. That was nice, but I always had a negative reaction to the ego involved. His tone of writing the perfect STII copy that he knew the fans wanted was a bit much. He was a little to sure of himself. Plus he could not take criticism from the fan base when his script made it's way to the Internet (it's too bad Paramount doesn't use the Internet to gauge fan reaction before releasing a movie--they would save a ton of money.) The other thing that gripes me is that he was able to enter the studio with a lousy script and get everyone to bow to him. Oh, true he knows how to turn out the Hollywood-formula script--but nothing of any real substance with rich plot and character development. If anyone else came and proposed the over-used and never effective sci-fi plot line of the hero meets his evil-twin, they would have been quickly ushered out of the building. The true fan-based needs a voice. At the very least, Paramount needs to consider submitted scripts again. So feature films does not work for Trek anymore. Oh well, there's other avenues to explore with the franchise--there is still the huge potential of television movies. Which, if done effectively, could be entertaining and lucrative and be easier to take risks that would please a wider spectrum of the Star Trek audience. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] A Nemesis to Some by ericjames @ 14:55:33 EDT on 24 Dec RE: Blame to Logan by Brannon @ 14:54:13 EDT on 24 Dec So many things wrong with NEMESIS... By Shaun () at 23:01:34 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info I hate to nit-pick and kick a franchise when it's down, but let's give NEMESIS the tough love it deserves... 1) The title. They might as well have called it STAR TREK: VILLAIN. Pretty generic. 2) The posters. Have you actually given the poster in the lobby a look-see? Who the BLOODY HELL designed that atrocity? It barely got ME into the theaters, and I'm a TREK fan! Imagine how non-fans reacted to it. 3) The opening credits sequence. Dull, dull, dull. No opening fanfare or new bombastic theme. Certainly doesn't grab you. 4) The Romulans are wasted. 5) The entrance of Shinzon takes way too long to unfold and isn't told in a particularly solid dramatic fashion. 6) Picard and Shinzon. Their scenes together nearly put me to sleep and their dialogue lacked the crackle that Ronald D. Moore could have provided. 7) Not ONE reference to Lore in the entire movie when they were dealing with B-4. 8) Brent Spiner's "Rain Man" performance of B-4... embarrassing. 9) Unevenly paced and edited. Dialogue and exposition goes on forever, while action scenes come and go in a flash. 10) Dr. Crusher. Wasted again. 11) Have I mentioned that Brent Spiner as Data is just not suited for the big screen? A 50-foot aging face covered in pale, metallic pancake makeup with bright yellow contacts is just plain UGLY to look at. 12) Laughable touchy-feely scenes between Shinzon and his Viceroy. 13) Why bother hiring someone of Ron Pearlman's stature and waste him, too? 14) Jerry Goldsmith. Probably thanks to "Too Many Notes" Berman, Jerry turns in one of his weakest scores ever. 15) Whenever STAR TREK delves too deeply into the political machinations of imaginary alien species, they lose me--I just don't care. That's why the whole Bajoran/Cardassian subplot on DS9 bored me to tears. 16) John Logan's inept dialogue. 17) The fact that I paid full price to see one of the worst TREK movies next to GENERATIONS and STAR TREK V. And lastly, 18) Rick Berman. The arrogance of this guy knows no boundaries. He's been sittin' pretty for years, churning out crap with the TREK name on it, figuring fans will rabidly lap it up no matter what. Not with me anymore, he's not. If the next film or TV series has his name anywhere in the credits, I'm walking. Thank you and good day. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: So many things wrong with NEMESIS... by cooper2000 @ 12:13:47 EDT on 24 Dec Spiner's asking price. by viking5150 @ 23:38:37 EDT on 24 Dec RE: Spiner's asking price. by vjmurphy @ 10:47:58 EDT on 27 Dec STAR TREK: Rotting-Maggot-Infested-Re-Animated-Corpse by X @ 05:37:51 EDT on 24 Dec good riddance by DevlinC @ 02:11:16 EDT on 24 Dec US-centric as always.. By DevlinC () at 22:29:54 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Nemesis hasn't even been released in any other country but America yet, and already it's considered a bomb and it won't make the money back. Has everyone just forgotten that there are several other countries that will probably give Nemesis the same amount of money that it's gotten in the US? Since America has a tendancy to forget there are places in the world other than itself, I'm not exactly surprised. Granted, it won't hit $100 million BUT (and I can only speak for the UK here), Nemesis comes out January 3rd. That means that everyone who wanted to see LOTR2, Harry Potter 2 & Bond 20 - they'll have already seen them all and there's Nemesis winking at them.. plus the fact that most of the movie magazines over here have been very anxious about Nemesis being released - it'll probably get mostly good reviews over here. It'll get up to about $70 million in worldwide gross. It's just going to take it's time. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: US-centric as always.. by Comlinks @ 09:36:13 EDT on 26 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by DevlinC @ 12:41:45 EDT on 29 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by XtremeFan @ 18:08:57 EDT on 24 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by DevlinC @ 20:07:11 EDT on 25 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by nitflegal @ 12:49:50 EDT on 24 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by cooper2000 @ 12:17:02 EDT on 24 Dec RE: US-centric as always.. by DevlinC @ 15:23:14 EDT on 24 Dec star trek die? By varun (varunk@bigpond.net.au) at 20:17:42 on December 23 2002 URL: www.geocities.com/deltaflyer11 | User Info I think i should remind everyone that star trek isnt just a tv show, need i say more every trekkie out there knows what i mean. I cant imagine a life without trek considering its been there all my life. GO AND SEE NEMESIS AND BUY 2 TICKETS IF U HAVE TO!! lol --- if star trek dies god help us all [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: star trek die? by cooper2000 @ 12:19:02 EDT on 24 Dec RE: star trek die? by CaptainO @ 21:39:53 EDT on 23 Dec RE: star trek die? by cooper2000 @ 12:21:54 EDT on 24 Dec The PERFECT explanation for this failure, from an average moviegoer: By Flake (flaky@ukonline.co.uk) at 20:03:26 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Spotted on another forum: I hardly see any Star Trek on TV, but since there are so many different variation of it and so many movies come out. I almost think of the movie as just another episode, except maybe a little longer. So, if someone can miss an episode, why can't they just miss another movie? I think they are having too many of them that you wouldn't miss much even if you skip some. I wonder is there anything that people won't go? I guess not. I bet even if they are release a cooking show in theater, some people still go to see it. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: The PERFECT explanation for this failure, from an average moviegoe by Beckett @ 04:43:20 EDT on 24 Dec RE: The PERFECT explanation for this failure, from an average moviegoe by Flake @ 07:08:32 EDT on 24 Dec RE: The PERFECT explanation for this failure, from an average moviegoe by cooper2000 @ 12:25:13 EDT on 24 Dec This is how you should present the information By Trekforever () at 19:37:08 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Steve, I love your newsbits, but I think on this one you've put it in a negative light, which Nemesis has plenty of already. I would portray the news like this: TENTH TREK IN BOX OFFICE TOP TEN FOR SECOND WEEK IN A ROW Box Office Mojo reports that STAR TREK NEMESIS has once again met its competition head on, remaining in the top ten (#9) in its second week in release. It made a whopping $4.4 million, padding its total to $26,450,000, already close enough to pay off marketing costs, which has been reported to be $30 million. "We are quite pleased with the success of the film, meeting on line our expectations", Paramount execs stated. "We are quite pleased and surprised that in less than two weeks we can already recoup costs from marketing, especially with the unexpectedly heavy competition in the movies at this time of year." When asked about the $65 million production costs, Paramount never lost a step. "That can still be met with the remaining time NEMESIS is in theaters, plus the wide lucrative international markets plus video and DVD sales". Will NEMESIS continue its surprising run for a third straight top ten finish next weekend? Stay tuned... [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: This is how you should present the information by Flake @ 19:58:19 EDT on 23 Dec RE: This is how you should present the information by cooper2000 @ 19:41:24 EDT on 23 Dec For once its not Berman's Fault By The One () at 19:02:07 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info This was the strongest TNG movie to date, no doubt. I knew this going in, and BELIEVED in it coming out of the Theater. There was so much Berman did right, and he'll probably be hung for it.. but he's not to blame. One reason this movie failed... Paramount. In its infinite wisdom, the studio chose to release this in front of The Two Towers hoping to ride the wave into box office success. So.. Trek fans went to see the movie and nobody else did. We were enough for the opening week.. but once LOTR 2 came out, it sank. All the Sci Fi/Fantasy fans were saving their time and money for middle earth. Paramount would've cashed in back in November, instead they opted to take on a box office behemoth that was opening within 5 days of Nemesis.. How stupid could those execs be? Truly a good movie and a fantastic effort to do something bold and daring.. and its wasted. If they do decide to go back and make more movies we'll be stuck with TV episodes filmed in widescreen. As much as I'd like to place Blame... It's not with Berman. Not this time. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] The reality of the situation is this... by JagMan @ 11:46:14 EDT on 26 Dec RE: For once its not Berman's Fault by BWilliams @ 09:33:25 EDT on 26 Dec Not quite a bold and daring ST movie by Emily @ 13:59:42 EDT on 24 Dec RE: For once its not Berman's Fault by nitflegal @ 20:35:31 EDT on 23 Dec RE: For once its not Berman's Fault by cooper2000 @ 19:37:24 EDT on 23 Dec The Truth is out there By Captain J R Kirk () at 18:15:02 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Fianlly the truth is beginning to dawn. First that this is the end of trek. The self rightious little trekkies that are running around here seem to be glad that Trek is dying. They just don't get it. Trek, if it fails now, it fails forever. Their attitude is to kill it all, throw the baby out with the bathwater. Is current Trek flawed? Yes? Does it all deserve to die? No. Their lament is that they shoudn't have to settle for mediocre Trek. I guess they perfer no Trek at all. And some of them seem damn proud that they have helped to destroy the franchise. That we love to much we destroy, and these "fans" and I use that term very losely, have helped kill the show. Get back to me in 10 years or so when their hasn't benn any new trek and their won't be. Bottom line, the obsessive fans have destroyed the franchise. Damn straight I'm blaming the fans. They deserve the blame. What crap, have JMS come on board and redo Trek. Why???? He does his think and Trek does it's. As I have said before, if your happy that the shhow is dying, then get out of Fandom and leave what little is left to Trek to the true fans, not the hangers on who have to nitpick the show to death. The true fans have lost control of the show to those who can never be satisfied and have run the show into the ground. The fault isn't Berman, or Braga's alone. Have they contributed? Yes. But it is the obsessive/compulsive fans who have lost sight of the fact that Trek is a fantasy, open to interpertation. My God, all last summer obsessive fans were debating if Enterprise was vilotaing cannon by showing a Romulan vessal this season! Get a life. Cannon is what they decide to show on the screen, not what is read in the novels of in the fanboy fic. Better to have Trek die off so all the Starfleet wanna be's can move on and kill another show. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Trek isn't dead, it's tired by JagMan @ 11:50:34 EDT on 26 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by Ambassador Palpatine @ 03:03:03 EDT on 24 Dec Gimme a frikkin' break, dude... by Shaun @ 22:28:56 EDT on 23 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by lnformed @ 22:09:56 EDT on 23 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by cooper2000 @ 19:54:17 EDT on 23 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by kirok2002 @ 19:26:27 EDT on 23 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by Daniel @ 08:01:58 EDT on 24 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by cooper2000 @ 20:02:47 EDT on 23 Dec RE: The Truth is out there by kirok2002 @ 23:41:42 EDT on 26 Dec Travesty By Lord Chairman Kaga () at 16:04:34 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info I just think, as a fan, it is a travesty the last TNG movie didn't bring back Q. That is all. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Travesty by Web Antillies @ 18:07:38 EDT on 23 Dec Saving Trek By starbaseops (starbaseops@yahoo.com) at 15:59:38 on December 23 2002 URL: http://www.geocities.com/starbaseops | User Info I'm usually the first one to post here criticizing everyone who sh*ts on Trek. I really liked Nemesis and is my favorite Trek movie. However, with numbers like this, it is easy to see why people would bad mouth Trek. My suggestion, if the powers that be are reading these, is this: make a movie for Trek fans. I know that you wanted to pull in new blood to the audience to fill the seats. However, I think this effort to make Trek more mainstream has hurt the fanbase. I'm a loyal fan and you guys will never lose me (unless you stop making Trek), but your attempts to broaden Trek's horizons seem to have "watered down" the excitement over Trek movies and series. Guys, don't be afraid to bring in new characters and ships. Let's see a first contact with new alien races. Don't be afraid to let the bad guys reach Earth, or better yet, make the target another fan fav planet like Vulcan, or Qo'nos. Rick Berman, bring the fans back to Star Trek! You'll be surprised how many of our non-Trekkie friends and family members we drag along with us. We'll get the seats packed, just make a Star Trek film for the hardcore fans and watch the magic. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Saving Trek by Archer @ 17:46:51 EDT on 23 Dec How to save Trek By Lord Chairman Kaga () at 15:19:23 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Invite more input from the fans. The fans saved the show in the 60s and revived it in the 70s and 80s. Start accepting spec scripts again. If that means hiring some people to review them, then do it. Wasn't RD Moore discovered through a spec script he submitted? B&B need to step away and let the writers and directors tell the stories. The fans, not the "suits", know how to save the idea of Trek, and it's not hot former models engaged in underwear frolicking with the captain and his beagle... [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] Look at the bright side... By Comlinks (comlinks@yahoo.com) at 13:26:04 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Well...may be not...but still...at lease Nemesis is NOT on the Year's Worse list of TIME magazine...however, Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is... --- Rick Berman...the Final Barrier. These are the stupid mistakes of the Producer Berman; His continueing mission: to destroy his friend's dream; to ruin new movies and new series; to boldly go where no one has gone or ever will...before. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] You misread... by Capt. D @ 14:09:32 EDT on 23 Dec RE: Look at the bright side... by Daniel @ 14:02:43 EDT on 23 Dec Stewart still has success By Radix () at 12:23:45 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info Since Nemesis looks like a bomb, I especially feel sorry for the cast. With the exception of Stewart, the rest of the cast really aren't working and they will suffer since likely no more Next Gen movies will be made. And hope of a guest appearance on ENT would be silly and seen as only a ratings grabber. Stewart will go on to massive success in the X-Men franchise, so a bad Trek movie is no big deal to him. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Stewart still has success by defiant127 @ 15:21:28 EDT on 23 Dec There is yet hope... By NCC-1017 (Megenney@MSN.com) at 11:53:06 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info The failure of "Nemisis" at the box office will not be the end of Trek. The sagging ratings of "Enterprise" will not be the end of Trek. Quite frankly, Trek means too much to a core of dedicated fans, some of whom do like Trek in all of its various incarnations, and others who are more particular. Trek also means too much to Paramount, and I'm not talking about Rick Berman or Brannon Braga, I'm talking about "the Suits." "The Suits," love 'em or hate 'em will not permit Paramount's single most profitable franchise to die. The failure of "Nemisis" in the U.S. box office should result in a dramatic shake-up in the studio that will certainly see Mr. Berman's tenure as producer of the franchise's films come to a swift end. If there is to be another Trek film, it will be produced by an entirely different crew. As for "Enterprise," I see one of three things happening: the "suits" will mandate changes to Berman that will demand improved ratings and improved critical reception, or Berman will be released. The other alternative is for the show to be cancelled. This doesn't seem likely to happen since its "the flagship" of the UPN network. Trek will be saved, perhaps for all the wrong reasons, but it will be saved. However the end result should be a good one: a creative shake-up that results in a better product. The public isn't tired of Star Trek, the public is tired of mediocre storytelling and re-cycled plots. If the galaxy is the base of adventure for Star Trek, then surely there must be grand adventures yet to be told -- its all about having a good storyteller... [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: There is yet hope... by cherno72 @ 14:54:53 EDT on 23 Dec RE: There is yet hope... by Xeawk @ 13:23:58 EDT on 23 Dec RE: There is yet hope... by cooper2000 @ 12:25:46 EDT on 23 Dec TrekWeb does nothing to help.... By Groulx () at 11:50:04 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info ....by jumping on any and all negativity bandwagons that the external media may have to offer. I've never seen a community of people so anxious to excite over sensationalistic headlines regarding failures. Pack of critical comic book-weilding bitches. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by Brian Langlois @ 14:10:51 EDT on 23 Dec RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by scifijoe @ 13:30:27 EDT on 23 Dec RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by cooper2000 @ 12:30:43 EDT on 23 Dec RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by AntonyF @ 12:19:08 EDT on 23 Dec RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by Flake @ 12:05:35 EDT on 23 Dec RE: TrekWeb does nothing to help.... by slappy @ 17:22:44 EDT on 23 Dec not quite yet By James T. Jordan () at 11:39:18 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info I'm not quite ready to declare Nemesis dead. I admit, it'll never be a big blockbuster, however, looking back at last year, the number 9 movie as of Dec. 21 was Monsters, Inc. (gorssed less than 4 million that weekend). At that time it had been in release for 8 full weeks. From Dec. 21 to January 6th, Monsters, Inc. brought in over $20 million. So who knows? Nemesis might wake up and surprise you. I'm gonna research the holiday weekend from 2 years ago next. Another thing I find very odd is that at Trektoday, around 75% of the people haven't even seen the movie, but on the poll, less than 10% of that 75% said they didn't want to see it. Very odd. Trek is at a crossroads and people stay home on their hands. Seems like this generation of "fans" is too lazy to give a damn. What a shame. Ever more shocking to me is, I have gone to the movie 3 times and every non-Trek fan that has gone with me (5 to date) has loved the movie. I also have not heard any negatives from people in the theater or while exiting after the movie. This is all so very odd. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: not quite yet by cooper2000 @ 12:35:13 EDT on 23 Dec RE: not quite yet by James T. Jordan @ 22:42:27 EDT on 23 Dec RE: not quite yet by James T. Jordan @ 22:05:46 EDT on 23 Dec greying audience By sky () at 11:09:18 on December 23 2002 URL: | User Info One thing that P-mount and Trek fans seem to be overlooking is that the Trek fan base is getting older. Most people who I see at movies are from about their late teens to mid-twenties. It's well known that young people in this age bracket have further financial committments and thus more disposable income for things like movies. That's the range I was in for the first four TOS movies. When we saw ST: Insurrection, most of the patrons in line with us were middle-age bald guys, outside the above demographic, as am I. We haven't even seen NEMESIS yet, partly because it's a big hassle to find babysitter in the middle of the Christmas rush, and movies are a low priority this time of year. I often take my 63 year old mom to see Trek movies. So it's bad enough that Trek has a nerd-boy image, but it looks like it now has an *old* nerd-boy image. All in all, the timing of this movies was ill-considered and the expectations presumptuous. P-mount and B&B clearly don't give a rip what their core fan base thinks, and they apparently don't even know who their fans are anymore. --- "When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements!" -- William Shatner on SNL, 1986 [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: greying audience by @ 18:11:01 EDT on 23 Dec RE: greying audience by cooper2000 @ 12:43:48 EDT on 23 Dec Spoliers helped kill Nemesis By JagMan () at 10:10:32 on December 23 2002 URL: http:// | User Info Face it, for the past year this web site and others have been filled with information on just about every aspect of Nemesis from the first draft of the script, production design and film scoring. Why go see the damned thing when you know the beginning, middle and end of the film? Hostile fan reaction began to surface before a single frame was shot, before a director was hired and before a cast was in place. When the film was finally released fans began griping about numerous cuts in the film. Guess what folks? The public really shouldn't have any flippin' idea how the script was structured, which scenes were excised or the decisions that went into what would eventually be the final cut. It used to be that people would bitch and moan about their favorite scenes being cut when the film was aired on televison. Now people bitch and moan about a scene being cut after reading the damned script and not seeing it in the final cut of the film! The impatience of the fan base to know every last detail of the film and the actions of the online community for revealing these various details before the film was released damaged Nemesis. Don't blame the critics. Look within to determine who is ultimately at fault. [ Reply to This | Parent Comment ] RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by Iron Helix @ 05:03:34 EDT on 24 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by JagMan @ 12:04:52 EDT on 26 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by captainjy @ 04:56:10 EDT on 24 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by JagMan @ 12:17:48 EDT on 26 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by cooper2000 @ 12:50:33 EDT on 23 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by JagMan @ 12:19:11 EDT on 26 Dec RE: Spoliers helped kill Nemesis by Steve Krutzler