This is sad! The story doesnt even sound good.
This will up the ratings for a week but unless they make a Borg a Regular (2 of 5?) the ratings wont stay up.

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Too bad. I was hoping that the mystery space station in Dead Stop was the beginnings of what are now known as the Borg. :(

They had me fooled...

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...and from the sound of it, the way they are in fact going to handle it: have it be completely self-contained, no main cast involved. Scientists find the Borg, they go on an assimilating rampage, it all ends in a fireball destroying all the evidence. 'The Thing' 2, basically. Since it takes place on Earth, I do get the sense this may very well be what we get - rather unusual for Trek. It has the potential to be a scary and dark episode, which still doesn't obscure the fact that its genesis is the ratings rut Berman and Braga have allowed 'Enterprise' to fall into.

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I can buy that the re-animated borg are from parts of the destroyed sphere in First Contact... I like the tie in. But what I don't get is once those borg are activated 100 years after they crashed, won't they tap into the collective of that (ENT) time line? And wouldn't that make the ENT era borg instantly obtain knowledge from three hundred years or so in the future since that's where the re-animated borg are from? That would make them pretty formidable huh?

Temporal Mechanics is such a headache... but other then that, I am looking forward to this episode, it could be a real winner (or a real stinker), only time will tell.

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The borg are my favorite trek villain. Voyager made the borg look weak. I think that ENT should stop messing with the timeline. The Borg are not known by Kirk. Hw are they going to make the episode so that no one knows the borg exists? I just feel that its selling out in a hope of getting people interesting by thinking the Borg are back... let me go watch.... Could the writing staff come up with their own creatures and stop stealing for other trek series. And people then wonder why some trek fans think that ENT is bad....

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The Hanson family was supposed to be studying the Borg in Dark Frontier, but it didn't make sense because it was before Picard made first contact with the Borg in Q Who?. If the Borg were known but kept top secret it would make more sense.


Still, Enterprise better not abuse the Borg like Voyager did.

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I checked out the Regeneration page from the list of this season's episodes and read this:

"As they continue to research the site, their curiosity gets the better of them when the drone they're studying comes to life and assimilates Doctor Moninger. Starfleet loses contact with the team and orders an armed shuttle to investigate... later, the NX-01 comes face to face with a borgified vessel..."

Hopefully this borgified vessel is that armed shuttle (and not a cude or any of that sort), but it will hail Enterprise and the imfamous Borg introduction will be heard. Archer and co. will know about the borg, but this episode must end with this borg incident becoming top secret. This will create the Borg rumors that were established in Dark Frontier. It's like Roswell and Area 51. The borg will be covered up. Don't worry.

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You know, if this idea was proposed in the first or early seconds, I would have been like, "NO. this can't be." But know, seeing as how the show IS improving (hoping it holds, I think it will) I think they could really pull off a good episode. At first, I would have said no to any Borg storyline at all, just because they don't really belong to the time, but it looks like this won't even involve Ent. and her crew, and won't be as blatently obvious as the Ferengi. I'm looking forward to it. I still think Enterprise is the only show on TV worth watching, along with the other Treks.

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I hated when Voyager destroyed the BORG idea and used it to the bitter end of their scariness. But this sounds REALLY cool. How perfect. When I saw they were bringing in the BORG I was scared, but the idea sounds SO GOOD. I am excited! :-)

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When I first saw the posting that the Borg were going to show up on Enterprise, I can honestly say that I felt that it was a huge step back. BUT, now that I've read many of the responses by fans, I'm thinking that bringing the Borg back might not be a bad idea.

Hey, "Future Tense" was great. It had sci-fi elements and suprises unlike anything I've seen on Enterprise (and, dare I say, on any Star Trek since TNG). I actually felt a little claustrophobic for Trip and Reed when they were "deep" inside the mystery future craft. It was a great episode because it kept me guessing. I think this Borg idea, if done right, can have the same effect. I just don't want pieces of this Borg sphere ending up in the Archer wing of the Smithsonian.

Bottom line - it's got most of us talking and speculating about actual theories and plausible plots and not about script changes, Berman bashing, or how the show is failing. It's not. In fact, based on the past two weeks and the prospect this Borg episode might have, we may just be seeing what Enterprise is really all about.

(I hope.)

(Okay, I really really hope.)

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From this description, this looks like an "earth" episode with little input from the main players?



*note* not reading all 100+ replies to see if this was brought up.

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Below we see constant rants by one_2_three. Don't kill yourself over this guy. Judging from his maturity level and spelling, he is clearly 13 or 14 years old, possibly even 15 - but no older. He is just a kid. I work with kids for a living, and trust me, he is just an immature brat.

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Here is a brief timeline of Borg related events taking place before Picard's first encounter...

2063 -- Borg Sphere shot down by Enterprise-E. Riker and La Forge repair the Phoenix, and actually end up convincing Cochran to fly it (Based on his dialogue in First Contact, Cochran was ready to give up). In effect the Borg are responsible for the birth of the Federation. Also, Lilly Sloan and Zephram Cochran both learn about the Borg through the TNG crew.

2152-- This Enterprise Episode. Sphere seems to be discovered and Starfleet learns of Borg's existence but opts to keep it secret, perhaps to keep an advantage against Vulcans? I'm sure this could lead into the birth of section 31.

2280 I think (Probably wrong though) -- Enterprise-B saves 47 El-Aurian refugees from being destroyed in the Nexus (as seen in Generations). Dr. Crusher later says that the refugees were fleeing to the Federation after the Borg destroyed their world. In other words the refugees told Starfleet about the Borg. This information was probably classified immediately.

2356 roughly -- The Hanson's set out based on rumors and stories (Probably left over from the previous entries in the timeline) on a personal mission to find the Borg. They end up getting assimilated and wind up in the Delta Quadrant.

2364-- The Enterprise-D investigates the destruction of Federation Outposts along the Romulan Neutral Zone. The Romulans had lost outposts too. The two races agrees to share any information they learn.

2365-- Q rushes official Federation first contact with the Borg. It should be noted that this first contact happened only 7000 light-years from the nearest star base, NOT 70,000. Perhaps this cube was already on its way to earth? Perhaps Q was right when he said that he saved the Federation from assimilation by giving them time to prepare.

2366-- Best of Both Worlds

(Stupid Hugh storyline which isn't really relevant to this timeline)

2373 -- First Contact: Borg travel back to 2063 and attempt to...well go back to the beginning of the timeline.

My point here is, the Borg where known by Starfleet, if only in Rumor and secrecy. Therefore this Enterprise story works. I actually think that this could be a very good thing for the Star Trek saga. Think about it, the entire birth of the Federation is due to a pre-destination paradox created by the BORG! That's actually a cool idea. So TNG did not mess up continuity, they held it together.

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I'm personally looking forward to this ep. You have to keep in mind, for the Borg to return to their original level of mystique, they have to be WRITTEN that way. This episode will probably follow the format of The Thing, providing a good opportunity to see the Terminatoresque Borg of old.

Another thought: Could Silik or Daniels be in this episode? Maybe one of them shows up later in the episode to clean things up a little.

As for future Borg appearance, the NX-O1 could NEVER withstand the pounding from a Borg ship, given its lack of shields. Daniels would have to jump in and save everyone.

I like the prospect of the Borg being involved in the TCW, as long as they are NOT as involved in it as the Suliban(and apparently Tholians) are. They would be feared by ALL the factions, showing up when least expected and throwing a spanner in all the works. Sortof like the faceless rebels from season 5 of XF(assuming the Tholians are not playing that role)


Who is writing this ep? I hope it's Shiban or Black.


Bottom line, Borg on ENT makes better sense than Ferengi(even though I thought that ep was pretty funny). But the 24th century race I really want to see is the Cardassians.

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Not that this is fact, but I have often speculated that maybe the Suliban are the original Borg before the inclusion of their cybornetic components. Since the Suliban also have a desire for perfection, one could wonder.

Even if the borg are present at this same time period as the Suliban, the Temporal Cold War could have something to do with that.



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God this is depressing news. It just prooves that already in their second season that they are grabbing at straws.

Like Voyager in the beginning, we were promised a clean slate with new worlds and new aliens to work with and it wasnt long before they started falling back on things that they had said we wouldnt see. It looks like the same goes for this show.

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At this point there have been 84 posts in the 8 or so hours since this story has been posted, on a weekday. Looks like everyone has something to say about the Borg on ENT.

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Does it not strike you as odd that there is absolutely know mention of Enterprise in this so called story synopsis. Now I'm no expert but usually when a show is about a ship and it's crew, that ship and crew usually makes an appearance in the show. When the Dominion took over DS9, DS9 was still incorporated into the show. When they did that Voyager episode about Janeway's ancestor they showed Voyager and the crew. It just seems fishy to me.

This could be interesting if a)The Borg are destroyed and don't make contact with the collective leaving this to be a huge secret Starfleet carries around and it leads to the creation of something like Section 31 or b) First Contact was actually part of the TCW and this is part of the Borg's plan.

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It's about time Enterprise started getting better. I loved Stigma, Cease Fire, and Future Tense. Three great episodes in a row. I can't wait for this borg episode. it should be great.

I'm a little confused though, wasn't Picard's crew the first to discover the borg or come in contact with them?

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... like the first really interesting episode since Carbon Creek. It is obviously the Borg Sphere that crashed in the 21st Century (during FC). My one concern is that Archer et al better not find out this is a major threat to them and that the species name is BORG and so on ... because that would ruin continuity. HOWEVER, if it is just a chance encounter and they don't really know anything about the species, it could be awesome.

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That, causally speaking, ENT is set after at least the events (or shall we say "effects") of First Contact. It's not a "true prequel" in that the events of this episode would not have happened in the then-mainstream reality of the Trek universe prior to FC. It's something we've been suspecting ever since we heard of the Temporal Cold War element being included in this series, and this cinches it.

Which means, of course, that continuity-wise, all bets are now off. Not that B&B haven't been treating it that way so far.

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it's obvious a whole lot of you have forgotten about when Picard screwed up continuity by destroying the Borg Sphere at Sector 001 in First Contact. Therefore, the Borg technically do have a place in ENT, since the Borg from that era could have been alerted somehow or that "space junk" was left around. Bringing the Borg in to this really doesn't upset me and it shouldn't upset any of the real fans either. It's just another Arc in the TCW, it's just another one of those "mystery" episodes.

Why is it whenever B&B do something bad, you complain, then when they do something good, you complain.

Continuity a la Borg was twisted when Picard destroyed the Sphere, so blame TNG, not ENT.

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But I'll never know. I just don't care anymore. Let them show Archer the Romulans. Let the Romulans be round-eared monsters with horns coming out of their heads because 'that's the way Gene intended them, but could never get the budget to do it'. Let them have Archer find a stable wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant, and fight a war with the shape-shifters he finds there. Let them have Archer make first contact with numerous aliens in the Delta Quadrant. Maybe he could introduce a virus into Hirogen society? Hell, we haven't seen the aliens from Darmok in a while. Why not let Archer encounter them, and figure out their language. Maybe we could have a two-parter where Archer goes after Species 8472 in whatever realm they exist in. Reed can certainly fix up a photon torpedo with nanites to destroy their ships, can't he? We'll just form Section 31 to sweep all of this under the rug, not because it makes sense, but so that continuity will be preserved.

All I have to say is Enterprise be damned.

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Only B&B could piss away all the gains that they made from last night's episode in what will be known as the official death of the show, if not the franchise.

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well i think we should all:

1st;RELAX
2nd;get a cup of earl grey
3rd;just wait till the episode is out, or may just wait till we hear more.

I think to many people jump the gun these's days!

im gonna just wait till the episode comes out then comment then!

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While the premise falls under the realm of possibility because of First Contact, they didn't have to go there. It's just a Voyager-esque, swee's gimmick to bring back the trust fan favorite Borg to ensure a decent number. It lacks creativity. Rather than continue to try to push the show forward, they have to fall back on something safe.

It's not even the premise that disgusts me. It's that they'd even do it.

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First off, it seems like some of us are getting carried away before we even see the episode.

Yeah, it seems nuts that the borg fragment could make it through the atmosphere after the explosion and wind up somewhat intact, but recent tragic events have shown it's possible. And given that space junk doesn't just vanish, it shouldn't be surprising that fragments made it to earth. It should be more surprising that more weren't found before this, in more "convenient" places.

I think though that this is going to be part 1 of at least a 2 part cliffhanger - isn't 23 the last episode of the season? So we'll no doubt see the Borg at the beginning of next season. It also wouldn't surprise me to see visitors from the future come to straighten out the problem, since visitors from the future started the problem. It could be 31st century visitors, or could even be TNG era visitors. Who knows? Given how they want to change to ENT movies, I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd done a sequel to FC that featured just this kind of storyline, a "passing of the torch" sort of thing. Pretty creatively bankrupt but not surprising.

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This has to be a violation of some continuity in here. I mean, what about when Picard 1st encountered the Borg in TNG? They had never seen them before.Even if they don't identify them as the Borg on ENT, wouldn't just seeing them and examining g them give away enough for Picard to know about them in TNG?

I know it is not April 1st. So I am a little worried.

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this all seems to me like an attempt to lure in old fans to increase ratings. and thats fine by me, so long as they produce a good story


Readers will see the words "BORG" and "Enterprise" in the same sentence and vomit at the idea. (Believe me, I almost did.) But then, I read the synopsis. IT doesn't sound too bad. in fact, I am actually looking forward to it. We all know of Picard's famous First Contact with the Borg after "Q" swooshed them to Star System J25. Then we learned later the Hansens (7 of 9's parents) had made First Contact with them approximately 9 to 10 years earlier.

Knowing that, Is it to far fetched to believe that The Borg have been Starfleet's most well kept secret. Maybe only known to Starfleet Intelligence??

The possibilities are endless. Perhaps section 31 was started because of the potential threat that this unknown species possess. Maybe the Borg Queen knew that her initial plan would not succeed, so her back-up plan would be to program 2 drones to "wake" after a certain time period and assimialte Earth.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want the borg to become regular villains, but it is possible that they too ave a stake in the TCW. They, afterall possessed Temporal Technology in Picard's time.

All that said, i hope this is a one time thing, that adds more intrigue to the borg. i, for one, would like to know where they came from.

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C'mon... how can B&B do this episode and not expect to upset anyone?

The damn Borg... on Enterprise! Ya good plan. Just when "Cease Fire" & "Future Tense" got me back into the show, this news has turned me right back off.

I'm actually too pissed off to comment any further.

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Does anyone else have a hard time believing that two whole drones and a section of ship could have survived the detonation of a volley of quantum torpedoes and the subsequent entry into the planet's atmosphere AND the subsequent SLAMMING into the Arctic ice?

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B&B remind me of third-rate lawyers with their hyper-technical view of continuity, as well as their efforts to get around established precedents by splitting hairs or gimmickry. Voyager spoiled the Borg for me. In TNG, and even through First Contact, the Bord were terrifying enemies that were unlike anything we had seen before in mainstream American science fiction. As Voyager corrupted the Borg through dilution and overuse, they simply weren't as gloriously alien and amoral as they had been in TNG.

Voyager destroyed Borg continuity by introducing them to humanity earlier than originally established in TNG (see "Raven"). Enterprise started the same gimmickry by (1)introducing us to the Ferengi earlier than established in TNG, and (2) attempting to circumvent the mess with the claim that the Enterprise crew weren't introduced to the Ferengi by name and that it wasn't an offical first contact. There is the ongoing debate on this BBS as to whether Enterprise breached continuity by introducing the Klingons earlier than a date mentioned in TNG for first contact.

Now, when all is said and done, this episode would probably fit continutiy as modified by the Borg's temporal incursion in "First Contact." But I don't like it, and it tends to cheapen the earlier and stronger TNG episodes with the Borg. I also think this episode reeks with the stench of repetition and unorginality.

A stand-alone episode of the Borg would be fine. But please B&B if you're lurking in cyberspace, don't go to the Borg again. The Borg have gone from exciting to borging (poor pun intended).

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When I saw the heading for MediaTrek's story a few days ago, mentioning the Borg Queen I thought that B&B had finally lost it and decided to bring the Borg on ENT. Of course, they were referring to the actress and it had nothing to do with the Borg Queen, but I made a post saying it scared me for a minute. I said that B&B would be officially out of fresh ideas if they did something like that. A couple of people got on my case for jumping to conclusions. Looks like I was right after all.

I mean, after two solid episodes back to back I was starting to think that Berman had loosened his creative hold on the show a little, let the people do their jobs. I knew it was a longshot, but there was a chance that ENT was coming into it's own, and we would see a rebirth in Season 3. After hearing that the Borg are indeed returning, I now know that is not the case.

From what Steve wrote about the plot details, it's cool that part of the ep. take's place on Earth, and it would be interesting to see if FC is related to the story. But that alone does not make up for the fact that they are out of ideas. This is supposed to be a prequel that stands on it's own, without contrived plot devices and characters that relate to the 24th century Trek shows!! I want to see ENT more dark and gritty, a Trek that is radically different from the formula of VOY, TNG, and even the TOS.

What's next? Is Q going to put humanity on trial? How about Guinan's shuttle breaks down, and as Trip repairs it, her and Archer have a chat over tea about Mark Twain. And after tasting the horrible tea, decides to stay on board for 6 episodes a season and serve beverages to the crew, and lend an ear to the crew when they have trouble?

After watching Cease Fire and Future Tense I truly hoped the show was getting it's feet wet and starting to develop it's own sense of self. Now I know we are just watching "VOY in the 22nd Century".

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... but in First Contact Riker mentioned Enterprise name two times to Cochrane and showed him Enterprise. That is where the inspiration came from for the shape of NX-01, but to get to the point, i think this is a very interesting, Earth based story. If its done well, i am all for it.

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...this particular story could be pretty neat. I too hope it's a standalone episode that doesn't start an arc. Despite my very strong opinion that the Borg have been overdone, I think this particular story, though the info is scant, sounds pretty cool. It could just be a nice standalone about how the sphere in FIRST CONTACT crashed into the Arctic Circle and how the 22nd-century Starfleet pretty much just finds a mystery that won't be solved ever until TNG's time.

Now, the danger is that since this is a time travel series, they could do all sorts of things that have to do with the Borg become villains etc. etc. So I think the challenge is to do a nice story that gives the audience--who already know how it ends up--a little bit of satisfaction while keeping it from the characters to preserve continuity and not going overboard like having the Borg Queen appear next season.

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that deals with some early version of the Borg rather than the beginning of an arc. Or have TPTB decided that Enterprise is in such terrible shape that they need to bring the Borg out of the prop closet?

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Where the hell did this come from? If its true I 100% give up on Enterprise! B&B already destroyed the Borg from their Voyager overuse - jesus!

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It was only a matter of time. (I wish this board had a rolling eyes function)

B&B just dig themselves deeper and deeper...

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