I have been siliently reading these messages for a while but WHY CAN;T YOU JUST WAUT TO SEE THE EPISODE BEFORE YOU JUMP TO A CONCLUSION. I have heard all sorsts of things like "'Judement' is going to bad. B&B are desperate for ideas." And "'Horizon' was just i filler ep. and did not live up to the hype." But when i look at the how the fans that visit this site rank the episode in question, it is getting good reviews. WAIT TO SEE THE EPISODE FIRST.

Now i do think that some things need to be cahnges about ENTERPRISE right now... but that is true with all of the seris to date. Around the begining of the 3rd season the show is reworked and it turns out fot the better!! Let's give ENTERPRISE a chance and wait for the third season. i think that we are going to be very happy with the season finale and the way the sow will turn out!!

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No, this hasn't exact restored my faith in the episode, but it is nice to know that someone is at least thinking about it:

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"That said, there is a detail that seems to be often overlooked or forgotten: the Enterprise-D's encounter in J-25 was NOT the Federation's initial contact with the Borg. It's made quite clear in "Q, Who" that the Borg wiped out several Federation and Romulan outposts along the Neutral Zone in the TNG season one finale (appropriately titled "The Neutral Zone"). This fact seems to have been generally ignored in future episodes, but it is definitively established in "Q Who?"

I've wondered what the Borg were doing so far from home in "The Neutral Zone" and "Q Who?" (in "Dark Frontier", we learn that the Borg were flitting around Federation space years earlier than we thought). What made them interested in our part of the galaxy? Did the Collective have some kind of "inside information" about Earth or the Federation? Without giving too much away, I can safely say that "Regeneration" will present one POSSIBLE answer. At the very least, I hope it'll provide a little food for thought..."

And

"Phlox is definitely not "immune" to Borg nanotechnology. 'Nuff said."

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T'Pol says at the end of the episode, "It will take 200 hundred years for the message to reach its destination, So lets not worry about this and forget it ever happens and let the 24th Century worry about it." Ok she didn't say all that. But by episodes end they know they're called the Borg, (see earlier spoilers to the ep.) that they come from the Delta Quadrant, and by the 24th Century that more are going to come. We can make the excuse that this info was classified with a special directive for access to this information. But Picard never receive a special directive when he first incountered the Borg like the Omage Directive. Face it B&B screwed continuity with this story.

Why, why, why did B&B give so much information to the Enterprise? The episode should end with the Borgified ship exploding and Enterprise saying "What were those creatures? I don't know. Where did they come from? I don't know. What will we do if we run into then again? I don't know, but I know this they were found crashed on Earth from a hundred years ago. Their must be some frieghtening thing out there in deep space." This would explain the Raven to the "T". A strange species that the Federation know nothing but a few rumors about. That would save continuity.

They should not, I repeat SHOULD NOT know that more are coming. The whole assimilating Enterprise is another sh** ideas. Phlox finds a curse--God help us. They should have made this more like a TOS episode. Have an away team full of red shirts and Hoshi go over to the Borgified ship The Borg start assimilating red shirts. The away team is stranded with the Borg. Archer takes Phlox in another pod with him to the Borged ship to try to rescue the away team. Phlox finds that the red shirt has been transformed, but as a human "He's dead Jim". Things go from bad to worse when the Borged ship start to attack Enterprise. And the shuttle Pod from the first away team attempts to dock with Enterprise. Archer, Phlox, Hoshi, and one surviving red shirt narrowly escape in the second shuttle pod from the Borg. Just as the Borg are about to go to warp Archer orders them to destroy the ship. Hoshi gets one word from her findings "Borg" but she doesn't understand its meaning. End of Story.

But no B&B have to make the fan eat ass.

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The Borg episode is still messy writing capitalizing on an idea that was good in the first place on TNG and milked and milked and miled on Voyager until they were watered down that they werent even close to the same Nemesis.
Why would you do this unless you were already out of ideas.
It just reaks of desperation.
Will it get good ratings? Of course. All the people that used to watch are going to tune back in and all the fan boys will be wetting their "Collective" pants.
If you cant create New Aliens that are as compelling as the Borg once were and you have to keep going back into the Trek grabbag of old ideas and old aliens to bring back viewers, why continue?

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the borg know everything that each one knows. So...if the tech existed in the 22nd century to stop nano probes, it should be contained in any data sent to the DQ. The borg in the 24th century would know that they were going to send a ship back, that it would be destroyed and that drones would survive and be routed and they would've taken the necessary precautions for each instance. So the borg in this ep. should be resistant to anything Phlox can come up with. Unless the ep. suffers from the poor logic that it seems to be suffering from.

They should've just done this as a stand alone ep. that featured the science team without the regular crew and had the borg simply die at the end somehow.

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Doesn't anyone remember that Borg adapt to attacks? The 'vaccine' is most likely not permanant. No matter what Phlox does, rhe chances are very likely that given a few hundred years, this counteragent to assimilation would be overcome by the Borg and simply no longer work. Borg adapt.

The bigger question is how much memory of the borg survives into Picard's time. 200 years is a long time. It's a big universe. Even bigger in Picard's time. So to assume the Lcars in Next G is somehow omiscient, and holds every scrap of knowledge we've witnessed on tv, especially pre-federation knowledge, is not necessarily a valid assumption.

Besides. I was under the impression it was all somewhat classified anyway. (The Raven, Star trek Generations.)

Regardlessa bout LCARS knowing, TNG did already know about the Borg. Guinian knew them on sight. She's in the federation. So how can someone claim, even way back in 1989's Q who's episode, that the Federation didn't know about them before them?

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Where Archer, Trip, and T'pol allow themselves to become assimilated with the help of Doctor Phlox's reprogrammed nanoprobes. Once in the collective, it's up to the crew of the enterprise to remove all memory of meeting up with Starfleet, thereby making it a big surprise when Picard and company encounter them in the future. We'll call this episode Unimatrix Zero...a! Maybe we'll even be able to 'rescue' a drone, and throw her in a catsuit and high heels...Or, even better, let's have the borg temporally transport Seven of Nine back to the 22nd century and let's have Phlox help her regain her humanity. You know, I sincerely doubt there will be a season 3...it's getting kind of late for an announcement on that anyway...

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I've been silently reading these articles and boards for some time now, but I can't NOT speak up any longer... Even though people continue to say the same things I'm thinking.

What the hell is wrong with B&B? How can they release a plot synopsis like this and yet claim they're respecting continuity? You would think they would get it by now that the fans are pissed off about the way they've treated Trek Continuity, and yet both of them continually make comments about people who are concerned about that same continuity; I believe it was our dear friend Brannon who referred to people like me as "Continuity Pornographers."

When we got the earliest plot synopses of this episode, I was CAUTIOUSLY optomistic. In my head I was thinking, well, this could be a fascinating link to First Contact, IF they do it right. Silly me for thinking they could ever do anything right. I really should have known better.

In my opinion, if Enterprise is going to encounter the assimilated ship AT ALL, it needs to get its ass handed to itself after a few SECONDS of combat and left sputtering in space wondering what the hell just happened, facing perhaps weeks of damage repair from that mere few seconds, and dozens of casualties, maybe even a fatality or two.

There's really no other good way to keep the Borg's existence a secret from Enterprise's time till TNG otherwise. If Starfleet gets any readings of the assimilated ship, then there should be something on record that is familiar when the Enterprise-D encounters its first Cube, rather than the Cube being completely unrecognizable in any way. Thus, to prevent such readings, Enterprise needs to be removed from the battlefield quickly and mercilessly.

But no, we get nothing like that. Instead, it sounds as if it's going to be a rewrite of the disgusting Ferengi episode. To paraphrase B&B's comments from that instance, "Oh, but they never learn who the Ferengi were, so it's all good." Bah. Paramount really needs to toss those two and get some fresh blood in there. That's the ONLY way they're going to save this franchise. B&B have proven for years that they can't save Trek. I point to the ratings as evidence of this. Ratings that have fallen steadily over vritually the entire run of Voyager and Enterprise. Granted, DS9's declined as well, but not as far and not as fast, and some of DS9's drop can be partially attributed to the Dominion War storyline, as many fans (NOT me) felt that didn't fit Gene's vision.

DS9, however, is one of only two of the four "modern" Treks that consistently had well-written episodes. DS9's writers knew how to do character-driven drama, something that both Voyager and now Enterprise have been extremely lacking in. And even when one of those two attempts character drama, it most often seems forced and unrealistic. Horizon was the FIRST Enterprise episode that I thought had any decent amount of good character drama. For once I was actually interested in the Mayweather character. The way he's been written up till now, it's like "Yeah, he's that guy we see flying the ship once in a while." And granted, there were a few standard cliches, and common themes in the episode, but at least it was a good effort, and one I'd hoped was the first of many.

Well, all it took was this article to dash any newfound optomism I'd gained. If something doesn't change in a BIG way, I think we can safely say that this series won't get a fourth season. The ratings are terrible, the writing is weak, and most of the fans have left because they're upset with how B&B are treating Gene's legacy. What else is there to say?

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Geez I hope Regerneration turns out well. I'm usually optomistic and try maily to focus on the brighter side of ANYTHING, but I would think they would pay more attention to the fan's hatred to the respect continuity is given to this show. I mean, what the Borg do Enterprise sounds big, which means Starfleet inevitably knows about the Borg. I don't know, but I will always give it a shot. I still like the Borg, just... try to keep them where they belong.

I hope they don't make a habit out of featuring TNG era aliens near the end of every season, (Aquasition, Regeneration).

I wonder, what if they featured an alien we've seen in Voyager? Like, maybe something like the Caretaker or some expirimental transwarp drive that throws an alien in Enterprise's course. Maybe the Hirogen or Kazon or Borg... oh wait

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I have been here before..many..many times with TNG and Voyager. They can in no-way now justify that Star-fleet never heard about borg before Picard enocuntered them courtesy to Q with events set to take place in this so Voyager-esqueish episode. Either this series is in an alternate time-line or B&B are re-writing the history of Star Trek.
But I agree with Steve. This episode would get the highest rating of Season 3 or maybe i would be the higest rated show after the series premeir as everyone would tune into watch this montrousity. I just hope people would stay after this extrememly controversial of a episode to watch Expanse too which I have a gut feeling would be the lowest rated season finale of a Trek series to date :(

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You've got to be shitting me. Phlox is RESISTANT to BORG NANOPROBES and devises a treatment against them? I'm sorry, but when Voyager's holographic Doctor can't do that, it seems REALLY shitty to have a Denobulan from 200 years prior be able to.

I was hoping this episode wouldn't be as bad as I imagined. Now, I have to hope twice as hard. Terrible, terrible synopsis.

And, of course, strangely out of character, none of the drones will say "We are the Borg", therefore "preserving" continuity and Archer will have no idea what the hell just happened as usual. Shit, pure shit. I could shit a better show.

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A lot of folks on here have commented that the events of FIRST CONTACT have the potential to change the Star Trek universe we know. That, in my opinion, is far from the truth.

I think there is proof that the events in First Contact are part of the history of the Star Trek universe anyway.

Let me explain. AFter the Enterprise-E returned from the Borg incident of the 21st century, they returned to a 24th century unchanged. If they had changed events while in the 21st century, when they returned to the future, their future would have been an altered one.

Since that was not the case, logic would suggest that nothing in the past was changed. The Enterprise-E returned to the same future it had left. The only conclusion possible is that events of FIRST CONTACT were always part of the Star Trek universe.

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I have a cold, but I can smell the stink on this one. If there are any viewers still watching the show after this episode, I'd be surprised. I'm waxing nostalgically for the Ferengi episode already...

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Well I'll tell you what, this Borg ep is going to fly in the face of everything and sounds like it's going to a big happy VOYAGER-style Borg "event" with crew members brought to the brink of assimilation and back again, ominous threats, hand to hand Borg fighting, and big Borg explosions. All I can say is no matter how much people hate the Borg and the cliched Borg event episode, I bet this ep will get the biggest ratings in weeks simply because it's too crazy to miss. One thing's for sure: subtlety sure isn't going to be a strength of this episode. You know, I hate to judge a show before watching it, I really do, I don't think it's fair. And the idea of showing that FIRST CONTACT screwed up the timeline is actually pretty cool, but why did they have to opt to a paint-by-numbers "Borg episode" rather than trying something new, perhaps something more cerebral and sci-fi based rather than an action piece in the vein of all the prev Borg shows?

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