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Writer Sussman Defends Borg "Regeneration" Against Early Criticism (SPOILERS)

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Posted: 19:01:36 on April 21 2003
By: Steve Krutzler
Dept: Enterprise | stenterprise.com
Since the revelation that the Borg would appear in ENTERPRISE's upcoming "Regeneration," airing May 7th, the debate has waged over whether the Borg's appearance in the prequel universe constitutes a violation of established STAR TREK history--"continuity." Consulting producer David A. Goodman popped up online several weeks ago to assure fans that the episode would remain true to the established mythos (story). Now co-producer and co-writer of "Regeneration," Mike Sussman, has posted online to defend the as-yet-unaired episode against criticism it is already receiving.

Writing to fans over at TrekBBS, Sussman says he was very cognizant of continuity concerns when penning the script.

"I consider myself something of a 'continuity hound'," Sussman writes. "While I admit the show isn't always airtight in this regard, we do try our best, and with 'Regeneration,' I paid very close attention to these issues. As a fan, nothing takes me out of an episode faster than an obvious contradiction with what's been established previously."

Sussman says that the stickling point for many preemptive reviewers--that STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION firmly established that the Federation's first encounter with the Borg was in the episode "Q Who?"--is incorrect.

"The Enterprise-D's encounter in J-25 was NOT the Federation's initial contact with the Borg," he says. "It's made quite clear in 'Q, Who' that the Borg wiped out several Federation and Romulan outposts along the Neutral Zone in the TNG season one finale (appropriately titled 'The Neutral Zone'). This fact seems to have been generally ignored in future episodes, but it is definitively established in 'Q Who?'"

Sussman goes on to cite VOYAGER's "Dark Frontier," which posited that the Borg had visited Federation territory long before the events of "Q Who?" He says "Regeneration" seeks to offer an explanation for these seemingly contradictory facts.

"What made them interested in our part of the galaxy? Did the Collective have some kind of 'inside information' about Earth or the Federation? Without giving too much away, I can safely say that 'Regeneration' will present one POSSIBLE answer."

He also responds to concern over a plot point revealed in the SFX Magazine plot synopsis recently (story): that 'Doctor Phlox' may develop an "immunity" to Borg nanoprobes. To this Sussman says simply:

"Phlox is definitely not 'immune' to Borg nanotechnology."

You can read more of Sussman's complete post here.

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Continuity?
By The Visitor ( arik@visitor-tales.com) at 12:40:40 on April 23 2003
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He defends the show against continuity attacks when people are attacking it for:

  1. being a crutch that Star Trek falls on when the raitings need to be boosted
  2. being yet another trip to a dried out old well
  3. not contributing to a "new and different" Trek that we're all still waiting for
  4. being the exact same trite Borg episode that Voyager had.

His attempt to deflect the real criticism of the information we have of the episode by defending its continuity is interesting, possibly even a little telling of what we can expect in terms of quality.

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Continuity
By troymeier ( troy.meier@attbi.com) at 03:04:29 on April 23 2003
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Everyone keeps bitching about continuity when, to be honest, we don't know that history wasn't altered during the events of FC. I have made a few posts before concerning this. In FC, what if, Cochrane got the name Enterprise because of Geordi showing him 1701-E through the telescope. What if he decided to model the first warp 5 ship after what he briefly saw through that telescope. Hence the reason that NX-01 doesn't look familiar to us, the viewers, because it wasn't supposed to look like that. What if the whole timeline has minor alterations to it now that aren't a big enough deal to go back and fix because what if you go back to fix things...you make it worse...ala "The Year from Hell" from Voyager. What if this is the whole idea behind the TCW? We don't know. Just take it as it is and enjoy it for what it is trying to be. I haven't been happy with all the episodes myself...far from it. But, I will continue to watch and support Enterprise because I feel it is the right thing to do. When we continually post negative threads...it does affect people and their viewing habits. It does hurt the show. And if the show is hurt bad enough, and gets cancelled, heaven forbid, what then will all of you posters who hate the show have to bitch about? Then all we will have is a whole bunch of posts about our favorite TNG, or TOS episode. Support Trek because bad Trek is still better than no Trek.

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Isnt it funny...
By cooper2000 ( ) at 14:27:04 on April 22 2003
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How B and B and now Susman come out ever few months and defend their product and give us plenty of excuses as to why they are doing this or that and why the show is so good and they are proud of it.
They find a loophole so they can do a whole new Borg extravaganza and then go out to tell people this.
This still is a Sweeps stunt and they should not be falling back on Stunts Already.
Whats next the Tribble planet revealed?

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More details.
By aquirius ( ) at 11:37:19 on April 22 2003
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I really appreciate these comments. I am still a little skeptical about the dialogue conserning this Borg. I hope in the end not too moch is known about the Borg. I like to see writers who are fans and DO pay attention to detail.

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there is a difference...
By Tom ( ) at 08:11:04 on April 22 2003
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There's a difference between a Borg incursion into (pre-) Federation space and first contact. Although it is clear that the Borg had been poking around prior to "Q-Who" the Feds had never encountered them 'til "Q-Who". (Although there's the continuity gaf as to how Guinan's people knew of them yet never warned the Federation.)

Afterall, wasn't it the purpose of that episode to introduce the Federation to the Borg? Q wanted to show Picard a race (collective) of beings that they were not ready for. If the Feds had met them prior to the episode, it would not have been such an overwelming suprise, n'est ce pas?

For Enterprise to maintain this continuity, it seems that they should never meet the borg face to face, nor encounter any of their spacecraft (or at least having any memory of it post-contact). There's no history of Kirk & Spock's era ever having been menaced by the Borg and the episode should keep it as such.

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One hit one wonder
By Grand Admiral Thrawn ( ) at 03:38:23 on April 22 2003
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Or we will be seeing more of borg later on. The episode would garner most probably huge ratings kind of hard to believe B&B will not use borg again

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Good to See
By Captain Pimp ( ) at 23:37:53 on April 21 2003
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Glad that someone on the staff is starting to defend there work. It might not live up to some people's lofty standards but it is better than a lot of mindless crap on TV nowdays. Is it the Sopranos or Six Feet Under, no but come on.

I think this poses a couple of interesting things. A) This may be Starfleet's first secret that it can keep from everyone, leading to Section 31 (which can't be formed until the Federation is founded continuity hounds) and B) Since Phlox's species must be difficult to assimiliate the Borg might just wipe them out years later which is why we never see them.

Out

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Hmmm.... Interesting
By Corran_Horn ( ) at 22:08:31 on April 21 2003
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While I still have serious reservations regarding putting the Borg on ENT, Sussman made some interesting comments. My theory is, and possibly this is what the writers are going for, is making the Borg into one giant temporal paradox. Think about it. The Borg in the Delta Quadrant recieve a message from the Borg that survived FC and Regeneration 200 years later, and upon learning of the situation(200 years later) send scout ships to our area of space to research more. They end up destroying several Fed. and Romulan outposts along the Neutral Zone, and God knows what else. Then along the way they assimilate 7 of 9's parents, who may have been looking for the Borg after hearing rumors of them passed down the generations. Then the whole thing with "Q who" happens, and the Borg stories continue with VOY and FC, where the Borg go back in time to assimilate Earth, starting things over again(or at the beginning, depends how you look at it).

My guess is that this will probably be the anwser when we watch Regeneration, a "chicken or the egg" paradox.


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sigh
By timmer33 ( ) at 21:06:51 on April 21 2003
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I see there are more comments below about Section 31. This is wishful thinking people! The producers don't give a rat's ass about what the fans want. Haven't you people figured that out yet? We want to see the genesis of Section 31. Well, guess what? Because it's something we want, B&B will NEVER give it to us. All we get are TOS, TNG and VOY era aliens. There is no originality on the show (except for Carbon Creek ... that was a good idea).

Get used to it people, and please stop grumbling about Section 31. We'll never see them, because this group was established on DS9 and Berman practically washed his hands of that show.

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Well... I hope it's good!
By Deslok ( hammond_ecks@hotmail.com) at 19:51:56 on April 21 2003
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I can honestly say that I hope this episode is worthwhile, I'll be watching, and if it's great or even good, I'll certainly take back some of the things I've said about the show. I'm not stoked just yet because they've made promises before that only disappointed. Then again, those promises were made by Berman and/or Braga.

Can this be a real change for the better for the franchise? We shall see.

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Big deal
By W Epemenundus Edrastus Blab ( justin52240@msn.com) at 19:42:19 on April 21 2003
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Im not sure why it is so important to Sussman's case for airtight continuity that "Q Who" was not the Federation's fist encounter with the Borg. And it was not "made quite clear" in "Q Who" that the Borg destroyed the neutral zone outpostes. That fact rests on a single line of dialogue, spoken by Data--"It is the same thing that happened to our outpostes in the Nuetral Zone"--and could have been missed by most viewers.

But that's not even the point. It seems like the entire drama of the episode depends on the Borg in the 22nd century informing the Borg in the Delta Quad. of the human's existence. Sussman asks, "What made them interested in our part of the galaxy?" Who cares? It's not like they wouldnt have found us anyway. And since we are never going to see the Borg again on ENT (hopefully) it doesnt add anything to the series. Furthermore, this message would be sent in a time when the Federation didnt exist.

As others have pointed out, continuity doesnt matter as much as good storytelling. And the jury is still out on that one.

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Why the 1701-D might not have known about the Borg despite..
By Rat Boy ( ) at 19:33:10 on April 21 2003
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..."Regeneration" and "Dark Frontier." So long as there is no direct contact between humanity and the Borg from "Regeneration" up to "Q Who," there would be no way that the Federation would know about the Borg during the events of "The Neutral Zone." By "Q Who," the events of "Regeneration" are most likely legend and might possibly not be in the database of the Enterprise computers. And since they were well out of contact with Starfleet, they wouldn't have been able to call Command to get the information about the events of "Regen" and we know the Hansens never sent back they data they collected on the Borg in "Dark Frontier."

It's entirely possible that the connections between the Borg, "Regeneration," the Hansens, and "The Neutral Zone" were made after Picard's ship returned from J-25. Now Starfleet had a name for the mysterious cyborgs found on Earth (which, for all they knew back then, could've been a secret government project from before WWIII) along with a good knowledge of their capabilities and how far into the Alpha Quadrant they've come. Heck, they might've gotten more worried that the Borg could have already been in the Alpha Quadrant for centuries thanks to those drones in the 22nd Century.

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Any publicity is good publicity
By X-Drone1701 ( ) at 19:19:54 on April 21 2003
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I can tell already that this episode will be one of the most highest rated episodes this season. It's generating such a stirr that everybody is gonna tune in to check it out. I know I'm hyped! Like the topic says...any publicity is good publicity.

BTW, Sussman is correct about the borg. Q did not introduce the federation to the borg... borg already knew about the Federation. HMMM... how is this possible? Probably by the events of 'Regeneration'. I just hope that starfleet agrees to keep things top secret (along with Section 31 and the Omega Directive).

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