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NASA Considers Dilemma of Training Astronauts for 'Kobayashi Maru'

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Posted: 09:30:10 on May 27 2003
By: Steve Krutzler
Dept: General Star Trek
It's known to STAR TREK fans everywhere as the "no win scenario," the test that all Starfleet commanders undergo during training meant to prepare them for the inevitable, introduced in STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN. The 'Kobayashi Maru' is famous in movie history and now in the wake of the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, NASA is faced with whether to adopt its own "no win" training.

According to MyWiseCounty.com, serving Wise County, VA, questions surrounding the last moments of the Columbia's crew have stirred discussion of whether the space agency should train its astronauts for the situation in which their deaths are unavoidable. The head of NASA's flight director's office recently told the AP that there are no such contingency plans currently on the books.

Observes suggest that in such a situation, astronauts could be given an opportunity to communicate with family members one final time or come up with a solution if informed of the dire circumstances. Opponents say it's best to let their professional training continue with the mission until the last possible moment, without such fatalistic knowledge.

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Apollo 13 as Kobayashi Maru
By lightstar ( lightstar) at 20:27:46 on May 27 2003
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Everyone saw the movie Apollo 13. I think that was
*close* to a no win scenario. As another poster pointed out, Admiral Kirk changed the parameters of the Kobayashi Maru but only after taking the test three times. He turned a no win scenario into a WIN,
when no one else could even conceive of the scenario.
My point is, that who determines what constitutes a
no win scenario? People are endlessly creative and surprising! Heck, with the internet, NASA could open up a Kobayashi Maru type scenario to the general public for possible solutions if the space shuttle was
in actual danger. There are a lot of experts out there.

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New training is as follows
By LockAndLoad ( ) at 17:44:19 on May 27 2003
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Remove spacesuit. Stand with legs slightly apart. Bend over. Grab ankles. Now kiss your ass goodbye!

You know NASA can remotely detonate the shuttle at any time. It's for liftoff in case the infernal contraption heads towards downtown new york or something. Every astronaut knows that that button is available should the need arise.

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We got a heartbeat Jim!.. Lock and Load! ST6 - Bones

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  • Untrue by GreginWA @ 05:55:11 ET on 28 May
But what if they hate to lose?
By M_Saeed_al-Sahaf ( ) at 17:24:14 on May 27 2003
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"...I reprogrammed the scenario so that it was possible to rescue the ship. I hate to lose."

Wouldn't implementing such a test cause some to take Admiral Kirk's suggestion and try to cheat? What good would the test be then?

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wow... that's a tough decision to make.
By DarthSpock ( ) at 17:00:52 on May 27 2003
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I think both arguments have alot of merit. Do you let them die without giving them any idea of their unavoidable fate or tell them it would happen so that they may say goodbye to family? That's a real tough decision.

I, personally, think that the best one is to not tell them of the danger and let them face it. The torture of knowing that you will die and their is nothing you can do about it is too great. I think it makes the whole thing worse. Those astronauts are some brave people, they assumed the risk that it would happen, I don't think they need to suffer with the knowledge that their risk led to their death. I don't think I would want to know.

I think the idea of letting them say goodbye is much more for their family then the astronauts.

But that's just my opinion.

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"I am not sure what disappoints me more... your cowardice or your stupidity."

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