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Berman, Braga, Bakula Talk Season 3: Arc Will Explain Why 'Xindi' Lost in ST History

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Posted: 09:42:33 on June 04 2003
By: Steve Krutzler
Dept: Enterprise | stenterprise.com
ENTERPRISE principals Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Scott Bakula continue to make the rounds, promoting ENTERPRISE's all-new direction, this time with Sci-Fi Weekly. Bakula says that although the 9/11 parallel in the season finale "The Expanse" was unintentional, he hopes the storyline has a sense of power and intensity that the audience can relate to.

"I have to be honest with you. For me as an actor, I guess because I'm involved in our world here, subconsciously I know everything is framed by 9/11 now," Bakula told the online magazine. "But when I got the script I wasn't thinking, "Oh, we're going to take advantage of the 9/11 disaster and use it to our advantage." This is really more about a direction for our series. ... But I hope that it's compelling, and I hope it gets the fans ... from what I understand, there's a tremendous interest and excitement in the fan base around the world, right now, about this final episode."

Berman and Braga intimate that they have long-term plans for the Xindi arc, saying that it will fit into the overarching STAR TREK history despite the seeming lack of knowledge about it in the previous, future-based series. Says Braga:

"These are things we play with as we develop the Xindi and their role on this Star Trek show. There may be reasons we've never heard of them. You know what I'm saying."

Berman continues, "By the time we're done with this arc, there's going to be a reason why the Delphic Expanse has not been discussed by Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard."

Berman says the show's tone will take a dramatic shift next season.

"Gone are the days of the first two seasons where these people were getting their sea legs," he says. "Where these people were taking their first steps out in space. It think they're going to be a lot more self assured, and I think they're going to a lot more mission-oriented in terms of going out there and getting a very urgent job done."

Bakula says he thinks the arc will allow the show to really hook an audience.

"...it's not like I'm not a fan of the prior Star Trek franchises where it was kind of a planet every week," he says. "But ... it just feels like the right time to really get into something that has arc, that will survive not just the standalone episodes per se. That will have something for the fans to really hook onto every week and really get involved with. So I'm very excited about it."

Braga says despite the intentions, the coming arc will contain many more contemporary parallels.

"...what you have in this case is a series of preemptive strikes [where] Archer begins to unravel the mystery and it may very well be that you don't know where the first strike happened. It becomes an interesting question."

Jolene Blalock's 'T'Pol', who resigned her Vulcan High Command commission in the finale, will undergo a slight metamorphoses in the new season as well. Says Berman:

"She's going to stop wearing her, so to speak, her Vulcan High Command uniform. We're going to start seeing different outfits on her. I think we're going to see some slight changes in her hairdo. I think it's going to be fun to see a slightly less austere T'Pol."

Berman says the staff is always very conscious of so-called continuity issues and tries to respect all the previously established history.

"When we started with the concept of a prequel three years ago we realized that we had to pay great care to the Star Trek mythology. But we always did, because when you're dealing with science fiction you not only have to deal with the past, you have to deal with the future. Ever since we got involved with Star Trek: The Next Generation 16 years ago, we had to tread very carefully in waters that touched on things that dealt with the history of various species and various things that happened in Gene Roddenberry's original series. We've had to deal with that over the years in both movies and television series. We've had to deal with that more closely here because we're dealing with a time that precedes Capt. Kirk and Capt. Picard. It's really no different now. We treat Star Trek mythology with a great deal of respect. There are rules that we bend a little bit, but we try not to break them."

Bakula says the time is right for this change in attitude.

"I think it's a great opportunity for our part of the Star Trek history ... we parted ways with the Vulcans. We reached the point of being able to survive on our own and to make choices on our own and I think it's just natural that we're pushing that now."

You can read much more in the extensive interview, including remarks about the feature franchise, the Borg appearance on ENTERPRISE and much more here.

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132 Marauders10/30/02
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134 The Communicator11/13/02
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144 The Crossing4/2/03
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146 Horizon4/16/03
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149 Regeneration5/7/03
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For Great Justice
By Grason ( ) at 14:20:51 on June 06 2003
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I don't think it's the Xindi who are lost in Trek history. I think it's the B-Hive (Berman, Braga, and by necessity of his persistent ignorance/naivete/boneheadedness, Bakula).

This article is a wonderful collection of misbegotten quotes. Behold:

"These are things we play with as we develop the Xindi and their role on this Star Trek show. There may be reasons we've never heard of them. You know what I'm saying."


No, Brannon...we don't know what you're saying. Wink, wink? Nudge, nudge? There may be reasons. Once you figure them out. You really don't know yet, now do you? I mean, really? Come on, don't lie...!

"By the time we're done with this arc, there's going to be a reason why the Delphic Expanse has not been discussed by Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard."


Everyone's talking about the "reset button" of ignoring ENT seasons 1-2. That's bad enough. But the above quote is Rick Berman promising a reset button in the future...a reason why the whole Xindi plotline, the Delphic Expanse, etc., are never again to be mentioned. Depending on how many seasons they intend to milk the Xindi for stories, that could be another couple of years worth of "Trek History" that will be conveniently forgotten.

"Gone are the days of the first two seasons where these people were getting their sea legs," he says. "Where these people were taking their first steps out in space. It think they're going to be a lot more self assured, and I think they're going to a lot more mission-oriented in terms of going out there and getting a very urgent job done."


So much for the premise that NX-01 is an eXperimental vessel, where untested systems can break down, where the crew has to think on its feet to keep the ship in good repair... Oh. that's right. That premise was abandoned about ten minutes into "Broken Bow," not unlike how Voyager always managed to have plenty of food, slush deuterium and power for the hologenerators... In which case, could we get Enterprise an NCC, please? Guess all the starship painters were vacationing in Homestead...

Berman: "...what you have in this case is a series of preemptive strikes [where] Archer begins to unravel the mystery and it may very well be that you don't know where the first strike happened. It becomes an interesting question."

Braga: "There actually is a preemptive strike of a preemptive strike."

Berman: "...in the creation of Enterprise, we were dealing with this temporal cold war that we created over three years ago where people from the distant future were communicating with Archer and dragging Archer to the future and coming to the past and telling us about various dastardly things that are going to be happening to us in the future and that we're going to be involved with and a whole series of cause and effects that we are supposedly to be part of."


Huh?

Interviewer: "Scott, are you concerned at all that with the story arc about the Xindi that there won't time just to have that fill of exploration and discovering something new?

Bakula: Well, again just going back to what Rick said, I think that there's still going to be that opportunity and obviously the Delphic Expanse by itself is totally unexplored.


But from earlier in the interview:

Berman: "This is not like the lost in space situation like we had in Voyager. Also, we are not going to be out of touch with Earth, nor are we going to be in an area where it's going to be out of the question that we're going to run into other humans. We're going to run into Klingons or Vulcans or what have you."


Totally unexplored, Scott? But you'll run into Klingons and Vulcans...and it's not out of the question you'll run into other humans? Maybe Amelia Earhart again? The crew of the Andrea Gail? or the Botany Bay?

Folks, I implore you to click over to the full interview...the excerpts posted here don't do justice to the insanity reported over at SciFi Weekly. The subtext throughout from the B-Hive: We don't know what we're doing, we're just making it up every week.

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Arcs
By covetom ( ) at 13:05:18 on June 05 2003
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"...it's not like I'm not a fan of the prior Star Trek franchises where it was kind of a planet every week," he says. "But ... it just feels like the right time to really get into something that has arc, that will survive not just the standalone episodes per se. That will have something for the fans to really hook onto every week and really get involved with. So I'm very excited about it."

*sigh* And yet again, poor DS9 is forgotten. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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Same BS as before
By FrodoPicard ( VyseN1@netscape.net) at 07:38:50 on June 05 2003
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Well, this sounds like the same BS that B&B were feeding us at the beginning of ENT! Can you say "Reset Button", because B&B can't think beyond that concept.

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RE: Low Rating Woes
By Michael ( ) at 22:09:01 on June 04 2003
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New Hairdos! All right! I knew that there was something wrong with Enterprise, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It has been right there before my eyes, but I didn't see it! The hairdos are bad. Enterprise has been having a bad hair season. Good thing that they caught it in time. How about hairdos in the shape of an arc.

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Oookay, Mr. Berman, Mr. Braga...time for you to listen to us.
By SirTrekker ( shauenstein@wi.rr.com) at 22:06:25 on June 04 2003
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You know, if these two men blew any more smoke up our butts, our rectums could sue Philip Morris!

Sorry to be so frank there, but I think we have to face facts...all this is a lot of smoke and mirrors. Yeah, they want to promise us a harder-edged season with more action, more drama, changes in characters and focus. Hey, with the right people at the helm writing and directing, they could very well deliver. But, you know that isn't going to happen, because Berman and Braga have complete creative control. So, we're really going to end up with a few minute character and style changes that, in the end, will probably amount to very little.

It bothers me that I'm in the position of frontrunner, bitching about Trek at the same time as I'm trying to root for it, but hey, I'm just doing what most of us are doing, but possibly not admitting it...I'm hoping, praying, that somehow, it's got to get BETTER. I mean, it can't get much more bottom-of-the-creativity-barrel than it has already. So, we keep on pushing, crying out, hoping they hear us begging for something to change so these two Great Bird wannabes won't run Star Trek into the ground any more than they have.

Mr. Berman, Mr. Braga, hear us. We're what's keeping you fed and clothed. Face it, deny it, whatever you wanna do, but it won't be any less true. We're the people that watch the shows, go to the movies, buy the books, the toys, etc. We are your audience, and we demand BETTER. We demand true drama for Enterprise, mixed with the right combination of triumph, tragedy, love, loss, action, and consequences. We want to see people walk away from battle hurt, scarred, damaged emotionally if not also physically, not coming out smelling like a rose, with an inspirational speech on the tip of their tongues. Take risks. Make us care about these people, and whether they live to see another day or not. Make Star Trek exciting and sexy again...and by sexy, we do NOT mean tighter costumes and excuses to show T'Pol in her undies (not that I ever really have a problem with seeing her that way, mind you). Give us an enemy to truly fear, and enjoy watching as they pummel our heroes. No more goofy foreheads and tattoo-like makeup on actors playing aliens that speak perfect English...REAL alien-like creatures, the kind that scare the bejeezus out of us, and the Enterprise crew. You've got the canvas, and the colors you picked out are promising...paint us a decent picture, or we're going to throw it on a fire and never appreciate what you call art again.

Scott J. Hauenstein
shauenstein@wi.rr.com

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Could Gold be struck twice(Yes..you..B&B 'DS9' visited this arc first)
By Grand Admiral Thrawn ( grandfleetadmiralthrawn@hotmail.com) at 17:45:25 on June 04 2003
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...or not. If it were anyone other than B&B who excel in churning up uncreative, unimaginative, and lame rip-offs I would have said 'yes' possibly. But with these two at the helm I am still working for an alternative plan for my star trek weekely dose when/if Enterprise gets cancelled.

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It all sounds so...
By Mr. Hippo ( mr_hippo@eudoramail.com) at 17:41:39 on June 04 2003
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depressingly familiar.

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Does Trek need an enema?
By MaxPower ( ) at 13:57:23 on June 04 2003
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No, it's the Trek fans who need an enema. Bunch of cynical hoohaa's.




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The silver lining
By mohap ( ) at 13:43:01 on June 04 2003
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Why they don't want to be associated with DS9 to the fans is beyond me... It can only help their reputation among the fans.

The thing about DS9 was they laid down 2 years of foundation for character development to the point where it was BORING. There was little action and a lot of dialogue and the eps were at times painfully slow.

Then in the third season they really took off and all the episodes were very, very good because they had that solid base. That made the long arcs interesting.

Looks to me right now in ENT, they have a good mix of action and character development (though the character development was somewhat comprimised to combat the slowness).

I like what I'm hearing about this next season. By not completely shunning longer arcs, they are listening to what fans were saying during the Voyager years. I think they're trying avoid some of those mistakes.

Can they pull it off though? Remains to be seen.

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T'Pol is now a pointless character.
By Beckett ( mail[at]jonathan-davies.net) at 13:35:20 on June 04 2003
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nim

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Nemesis had all the right buttons there waiting to be pressed, but like Data on a Reman keypad Paramount seem to have pushed the wrong ones. :/

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While it does look promising for season 3, it bothers be that he's acting as though story arcs are totally new to Trek. I honestly think that he's never see much DS9. Is it just me or is that show always snubbed?

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err Xindi.....
By Beckett ( mail[at]jonathan-davies.net) at 12:56:35 on June 04 2003
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I'm still waiting for them to explain how the NX-01 got lost in Starfleet history!

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Nemesis had all the right buttons there waiting to be pressed, but like Data on a Reman keypad Paramount seem to have pushed the wrong ones. :/

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Will they follow through?



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"There are no Earth vessels in The Expanse" - Xindi Information Minister

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I really can't decide for myself yet, if I'm going to like season 3 or not. I'll be watching. Will it be appealing or not? So far, all we have is unanswered questions.

Action is generally not appealing to me. It can be skipped from a movie and I'll be just as satisfied. I look for the charm, for characters who are thinking, and express their feelings, motives and background. All the rest, visuals and action, sci-fi and plot, is just spice. The top of the cake. But if you take the cake away, there are no need for spice.

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  • RE: hmm. by Sim @ 13:39:32 ET on 4 Jun
Does Anyone Care?
By shakamaker ( ) at 11:06:59 on June 04 2003
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Its to late people,Star Trek is dead!No matter what they do they have already ruined tv history.
I was exited when i knoew Bakula was aboard but the crew just dont gel well,The ships a pile of crap and the stories are worse.
Star Trek was always about Exploring and how these people dealt with this things.
Gene roddenberry always said a good Star Trek storie could be told in this time not just the future.
Well the last of the next gen,all of ds9 and voyager put an end to that!
Instead of using all the effects under the sun get in good writers like A C Clarke,he would write a couple.
You old trek fans out there will remember when next gen started all the famous actors in hollywood were climbing over each other to be in trek,now no wants to do it.
Sorry for going on and on but Its true.

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The reason why we never heard of the Xindi
By dave ( dlancaster1968@hotmail.com) at 10:42:25 on June 04 2003
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Anyone else smell a reset button?

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You know what I'm saying?
By BYG-DAMN ( ) at 10:39:12 on June 04 2003
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There is no hope. I have given Enterprise a chance every night for 2 years and each night it has been progressively worse thant before. Reminds me of how Voyager "changed" several times and yet it was always the same garbage.

I don't give a crud about what T'pol is going to wear. Different outfits? I guess we'll finally see her in her Hooters garb and a red bathing suit. Gag me. Who cares about T'Pol! She's overrated and not the change I'm looking for. I want to hear about how they are bringing on a new writer with a fresh perspective. I want to hear them planing something truly risky, like Mayweather getting half his face blown off and he has scars for the rest of the season, I mean somthing.

Everything they have stated about has been said before again and again. You know what, why don't you guys shut up and do something instead of giving interviews about it. They don't want to be known as the people who killed trek.

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T'Pol in Season 3
By falcon ( ) at 10:25:05 on June 04 2003
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As a longtime lurker and very infrequent poster, I felt moved to comment on this article...I think B&B are doing their best to drive Enterprise into the ground.

During the original series, I don't recall the producers ever allowing Spock to explore his human side...most times when he resorted to emotions, he was either (a) under the influence of alien spores, (b) undergoing Pon Farr, (c) temporarily posessed by an alien intelligence, or (d) incredibly relieved that he hadn't killed Kirk during the Vulcan marriage ritual. He always tried to reconcile his human side with his Vulcan side. T'Pol has no such Human influence. For B&B to suggest that T'Pol might indulge in some emotional exploration is to throw out 35+ years of Vulcan character development.

For pity's sake, guys -- SHE'S A VULCAN! If you need to develop her character, then make her more curious about what's out there...make her more of a risk-taker, to balance Archer's (so far) cautious nature (a flip-flop from the days of TOS)...but don't make her any less Vulcan. To do so cheapens an already cheap attempt at a ripoff of Star Trek.

Then again, why do I bother? It's obvious from the article that they don't really listen to the fans, and they're just paying lip service. I've watched Star Trek since it premiered on Sept. 8, 1966, and with the exception of Voyager, I've been generally pleased with the series and its spinoffs. Sure, there were stupid episodes, but I was always buoyed by the fact that a college student (David Gerrold) wrote and sold an episode to Star Trek, so there was hope for the fans. Now I feel they've shut the door in our faces, and we're not welcome in their little world anymore. Looks like I'll be watching either Smallville or ESPN on Wednesday nights.

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